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Tibus Heth declares plan to nationalize megacorps

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Natalcya Katla
Astropolitan Front
#41 - 2013-05-05 16:07:54 UTC
I will not defend Heth. That being said, I do think it speaks volumes about the mindset of those who now seem about to rise against him that the proverbial pill too big to swallow has turned out to be neither his bloodthirst nor his blatant racism, but his efforts to centralize government in the State.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#42 - 2013-05-05 16:08:18 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security maintains its oaths and contractual obligations to Lai Dai Corporation and, by extension, the Chief Executive Panel and its Executor. We will at this point clarify that, in event of a conflict between charter organizations, LDRSS will follow the directives of its majority holder, Lai Dai Research Biomedical and Cybernetics. This is outlined in section IV of the LDRSS Charter. LDRBC is wholly owned by Lai Dai Corporation directly, and is a member of the Chief Executive Panel of the Caldari State.

We have every confidence that the CEP will do what is best.


Otsito Mining and Manufacture will... largely ignore what's going on, and will in turn largely be ignored by pretty much everyone that's in any kind of position to affect... well, anything that's even remotely connected to this particular situation. This is outlined on a napkin I doodled on earlier. OTSI is wholly owned by the Satrapess of the Shifting Sands and High Lord Thingamadoodle, and is a member of the Pinkie Promise club founded under the kiddie table at little Tommy's birthday party twenty years ago.

We have every confidence that whatever we do, it'll never actually have any kind of effect on the CEP or the Caldari State.

Something tells me I might need to hire someone who can read and write legalese.


I think we are largely on the same tier :)
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-05-05 16:30:22 UTC
Natalcya Katla wrote:
I will not defend Heth. That being said, I do think it speaks volumes about the mindset of those who now seem about to rise against him that the proverbial pill too big to swallow has turned out to be neither his bloodthirst nor his blatant racism, but his efforts to centralize government in the State.

It's a human thing. You wouldn't understand.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-05-05 16:44:44 UTC
Natalcya Katla wrote:
I will not defend Heth. That being said, I do think it speaks volumes about the mindset of those who now seem about to rise against him that the proverbial pill too big to swallow has turned out to be neither his bloodthirst nor his blatant racism, but his efforts to centralize government in the State.


In my defence, that was my objection to the man from day 1. The rest of it has largely served to vindicate WHY we don't want centralized government in the State, especially not under one individual.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#45 - 2013-05-05 23:04:36 UTC
So the implosion of the Caldari state begins.

I am sure that some who are are beholden to the same malfunction that Heth suffers from will think this is a good thing.

Those sub-factions of the state need to begin thinking of self governance. I'm afraid that the corporations might have lost that role by the time Heth is done with them. I hope this is wrong.

If the Federation were having this kind of issue, as an example, we could hope for secession, but the Caldari don't have a cultural and political foundation for secession like the Federation does (and would be doing if we didn't elect a criminal with a grip on reality as president).

It really is all about reality and consequences in the end, and this will not end well.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-05-05 23:13:39 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

If the Federation were having this kind of issue, as an example, we could hope for secession, but the Caldari don't have a cultural and political foundation for secession like the Federation does (and would be doing if we didn't elect a criminal with a grip on reality as president).


But the entire existence of the State is based off the fact they seceded...

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Hienz Doofenshmirtz
Outsourced Manufacturing
#47 - 2013-05-05 23:22:04 UTC
Death to Heth, I stand with the watch

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#48 - 2013-05-05 23:25:10 UTC
Just waiting for the word from the CEP now.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#49 - 2013-05-05 23:57:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Gorion Wassenar
So in a quick few years you brought one of the largest and strongest corporations of the State to the brink of ruin and you want them to surrender all of their assets and power to you?


You know back in the day, when people screwed up as badly as you have, they fell onto their swords. I believe we currently have a more modern and less messy tradition. You might want to take it up before someone hands you a sword.

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TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#50 - 2013-05-06 01:59:20 UTC  |  Edited by: TomHorn
I support this statement.

Hopefully the nationalization of the Mega corporations will go ahead, while purging the State of people who are said to be a threat to our national survival.

The State Leader, Caldari Providence Directorate, the Provists, Templis Dragonaurs are dedicated to continuing the process of creating a unified Caldari State.

You ask what is our aim? I can answer in one word Victory. Victory at all costs, Victory in spite of all terror ,Victory however long and hard the road may be, for without victory there is no survival !
Call Rollard
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-05-06 02:12:03 UTC
Nationalization of the megacorps must never happen.

Heth Must Go
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#52 - 2013-05-06 02:15:10 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Oh, woe! Is there not a single kind voice in this thread who'll defend the poor, beleaguered Executor of the Caldari State? He's been through so much and not a single soul on the IGS seems to have a speck of compassion for his desperate plight!

No-one?

Hmmm. Fancy that.

Please forgive the agrarian humor, “but I don’t have a dog in this hunt.

Having said that I would again caution those that do, underestimating Executor Heth is unwise.
Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#53 - 2013-05-06 04:56:32 UTC
He's really trying hard to get killed, isn't he?
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#54 - 2013-05-06 05:07:46 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
This reminds me of when Foiritan tried to bring the various Shipwrights under Federal control towards the end of his reign. That ended with him getting a boot out the door.

The irony is, he is constatly going on about the Gallente did this or the Gallente did that, and now he is doing the exact same thing the Gallente were just doing.

TomHorn wrote:


You ask what is our aim? I can answer in one word Victory. Victory at all costs, Victory in spite of all terror ,Victory however long and hard the road may be, for without victory there is no survival !

What victory can we have if the State is destroyed in the process?

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Heth has now demonstrated why he never made it above MTAC Operator before his little rebellion and the back room deals that followed: He has NO business ability. A more money savvy despot could at least pay his bills along with the war and bullying fund. it's a pity KK has allowed him to operate their business in the red for so long. It used to be a powerful corporation, given what this report states, I am fearful of their ability to survive as a separate entity for much longer.

At this point Heth has become WORSE than what he rebelled against.
Shun Makoto
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#55 - 2013-05-06 07:18:38 UTC
Enough!

I will not stand any further for Heth's dismantling of our proud State!
I call upon the Ortesai Sejikiineten Keraatashu (CEP) to immediately remove Tibus Heth from his position. His reckless actions have weakened the State and left us vulnerable to our enemies and weak in the eyes of our allies.

Kaalakiota-Kaatso Taokeruu Kaltiovon ArK. (Kalaakiota Business Research Corporation)

Head of Security

...................................

Kaalakiota Corporation

Patriot Faction

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#56 - 2013-05-06 07:34:43 UTC
TomHorn wrote:
I support this statement.

Hopefully the nationalization of the Mega corporations will go ahead, while purging the State of people who are said to be a threat to our national survival.

The State Leader, Caldari Providence Directorate, the Provists, Templis Dragonaurs are dedicated to continuing the process of creating a unified Caldari State.

You ask what is our aim? I can answer in one word Victory. Victory at all costs, Victory in spite of all terror ,Victory however long and hard the road may be, for without victory there is no survival !


There can be no Victory when fear and greed ride in the same chariot. Your master seeks to consume the State in his personal drive for revenge - and revenge is not the business that I signed up for.

This is against the proud traditions of our ancestors. This is against Heiian.

I'll see you burn before I let this happen.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Tatiana Yazria
Dragon Logistics
#57 - 2013-05-06 08:09:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Tatiana Yazria
As I have said, whether or not Tibus Heth is to remain Executor is a matter for the State and the State alone to decide. However, it is both morally irresponsible and financially impossible for me to stay silent on Mr. Heth's tenure as the CEO of Kaalakiota and the precarious state of KK itself.

A formal complaint has been filed with CEP and CBT regarding this matter, on behalf of organizations which I represent in these matters. Out of courtesy, I will spare you all the full complaint - which as you have likely surmised, is quite dense on verbiage. However, I would like to share the summary with you all - with the permission of all parties except KK of course. (And yes, I had it manually rather than machine translated.)

Quote:
Whereupon it is believed that knowingly deceptive and grossly negligent or incompetent management of Kaalakiota (hereinafter KK) may have resulted in;

  • The deliberate and knowing concealing of materially relevant information regarding KK's finances from shareholders and interested parties.
  • Tibus Heth may have engaged in willful and deliberate misappropriation of funds entrusted with KK, which by corporate law and contract agreement could only be used for the purpose of conducting trade between contracted parties.
  • Tibus Heth appears to have engaged in a pattern of extreme mismanagement of finances, contracts, and committed violations of corporate law in order to embezzle funds for the Caldari Providence Directorate.
  • There exists real and substantial doubt that KK is capable of meeting the production requirements of the referenced trade contracts.
  • There exists real and substantial doubt that KK is capable of meeting the financial requirements of the referenced trade contracts.
  • Should KK be unable to meet requirements of these contracts, we believe it likely that they are also both unable and unwilling to make agreed upon penalty payments to affected parties.

Therefore, it is requested that the CEP immediately appoint a neutral third-party to perform an audit of Kaalakiota's finances and management in order to establish the truth or falsehood of these accusations and to restore investor and trade partner confidence in the swiftest possible manner.


Unfortunately, as with all things of this nature, the wheels of bureaucracy turn slowly unless greased with cash. Ironically enough, the possibility of losing so much may cause them to turn even more quickly. Sadly, I am very doubtful that Mister Heth has the least concern for his foreign relations at this point.
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#58 - 2013-05-06 10:12:22 UTC
Natalcya Katla wrote:
I will not defend Heth. That being said, I do think it speaks volumes about the mindset of those who now seem about to rise against him that the proverbial pill too big to swallow has turned out to be neither his bloodthirst nor his blatant racism, but his efforts to centralize government in the State.


O-ho. Selectionism is a part of politics I suppose. When it gets down to a case of power and control, only then does **** get real.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#59 - 2013-05-06 11:48:14 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Natalcya Katla wrote:
I will not defend Heth. That being said, I do think it speaks volumes about the mindset of those who now seem about to rise against him that the proverbial pill too big to swallow has turned out to be neither his bloodthirst nor his blatant racism, but his efforts to centralize government in the State.


O-ho. Selectionism is a part of politics I suppose. When it gets down to a case of power and control, only then does **** get real.


You both seem ignorant of the fact that a Caldari Megacorporation is a vital and integral institution that plays a pivotal role in the lives and welfare of billions of citizen-employees in the State. These are not just mere abstract profit based companies. They are the tangible manifestations of their citizen's will and products of centuries of Caldari effort and sacrifice. One cannot simply nationalize what is already in effect a nation without borders, nor is the Executor in a financial, political or military position to be dictating terms to the CEP.

The fact that Heth has now in effect declared war upon the rest of the State given the destruction he has sown upon Kaalakiota with his incompetent leadership and corrupt mismanagement of finances due to Provist cronyism shows not only his disassociation from both reality and rationality but as a traitor to both Kaalakiota and the State itself. It is only a case of power and control insofar as ensuring that the Executor no longer has neither except the minimum required for him to take responsibility for his failure as a leader and hang himself quietly and with dignity - that is if the man has any sense of shame or honour left.

Even that I doubt, but it is unsurprising, traitors and criminals often have little of either.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Brandi Wiseman
Den Sorte Loge
#60 - 2013-05-06 12:10:29 UTC
Hienz Doofenshmirtz wrote:
Death to Heth, I stand with the watch


I cannot support this viewpoint.

Tibus Heth must go. However, and as i pointed out many times during the protest in New Caldari, this must be achieved by non-violent means if at all possible. Enough Caldari blood has been shed thanks to Heth's actions and we must not follow his lead on this.

Should Heth be assassinated, you would turn him into a martyr. Instead. he should be removed from office and held to account for his actions.

Fly Caldari!