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I think the limit is more to reduce how many and what size of ship can come through, maybe put a cool down timer on it also? So the first step would be to cyno in some guards and some other cyno ships.

Maybe also put a cool down on the cyno pilots that come in before they can start it up. Give the defenders more time to react or flee?

Yes, it should be tedious to deploy a huge fleet, it should be a total logistical nightmare. It should take time, maybe a day or two's planning. Not just crashing every system that you want to throw a quick party in.


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IMHO, I think the quickest way to get more ppl in nullsec is to add more DIRECT routes from highsec to null. Right now to get to some nullsec regions you have to fly through many lowsec or a few perma-camped chokepoints. Make it more difficult to perma-camp all nullsec access points and traffic will increase naturally.

Another way to invite more small corp/alliances is to stop a single alliance from claiming sov in vast amounts of unused space. Make it so alliances can only claim sov from a starting "home" system. Only after they have sov on all systems in that constellation they can claim sov on adjacent constellations. Also force a limit on how many systems an alliance can claim based on number of pilots.

Third, add like 100 more nullsec regions and make them so far apart, it would take an invading force a whole day of cyno jumps to move a capital fleet from one side to the other, no chance for lame supercarrier hotdrops.

Sorry for leaving this thread unloved - just resubbed for crucible!

I'll update the OP when I get a chance.

All terrible ideas except for the drone fix.

This. this right here.

I'm relatively new to the game (don't be fooled by my start date, i have less than six months of played time) and I do the mining/industrial thing to feed my creeping desire for murderfun deathball, but the setup COSTS. I stay in High sec to train relevant skills so that when i go looking for fun in low/null I don't get popped at the first gatecamp. But let's face it. yer going to get popped at a gatecamp, and i don't know a single ship besides covert ops fitted T3 with the interdictor field neutralizing engines that can bypass them.

I don't want to join a big alliance powerbloc. I have no patience for people informing me how to play the game so they can profit. If I'm not having fun, **** off. I'm not going to join any corporation that tells me "You must log on at X time," or "you will fly X ships with this fit." I won't let them tell me where I must fix my prices. I will not play with people who tell me when and where i can go blow **** up.

Null sec holds very little appeal to me, because of the above and a few other things:

Jump gates: Can you say un-bypassable choke points? I knew you could. Jump gates make it easy for pretty much anyone to flatten your ass going through unless you are purely lucky enough to have a crapton of buddies fitted for PvP. Solo ships need not apply, flying a freighter to supply cheap ships for people in low/null isn't worth the risk. Flying a battleship into low/null isn't really worth the effort. i've already lost two dominix to gatecamps. Oh well, cost of doing business.

The only way to bypass jump gates is with jump capitals. and then you need a cyno alt. Unless you're flying a blackops ship with the jump gate generator or cyno to call other blackops. But that's only a PvP option, really. No reason for industrials to play in null. And then you can't jump into Highsec. Hooray. my jump freighter's (theoretical) not much use to me is it?

The people: Good luck figuring out who you can negotiate for legitimate passage and protection. Wait, protection, HAH!

The skills: Can't do any sort of solo exploration without these. to quote one gate camp "I never seen a dommi melt so fast!" This was before i figured out which skills I am now rectifying the lack of. For me the goonswarm frigate attack isn't really an option. Most of my friends are industrials who build stuff. Fortunately none of them bot mine. I hate bot miners.

Tangental note: Bot miners should be burned alive in their ships. I applaud anyone who has ever murdered a botminer. If I could figure out how to find 'em and not lose concord standings i'd murder them too. (the standings concern is I need a break from constant warfare)

Gatecamping: I am so disinterested in this activity my ears and eyes will bleed. it's about as exciting to me as watching paint peel. Sit at gate. wait for lone ship or small group of ships to fly through. tackle, scramble blamblamblampopyawn.

Blobs: I don't give a rat's ass that people are doing it, but it's not a ******* tactic. it's a mass of numbers equation that takes absolutely no tactical acumen to do whatsoever beyond Knowing what to call out as primaries. I want no part of fighting, or flying in a command and conquer space blob of whatever. Boring tactics equals borin-ass space combat that requires no thought on my part beyond what porn to pull up while I **** behind my keyboard and the autoattack shoots at primary and my guns recycle.

Raiding: raiding and guerilla combat is meaningless as has been noted before, your friendly neighborhood CONCORD intel service will send you friendly reminders that people are doing **** in X dead zone, please send fleet of battleships to flatten the interlopers. I'd like to be able to sneak in, kill ****, and mine the belts dry because a big alliance is too goddamned lazy to have scouts in-system.

To continue: General PvP, meaningful combat? Small fleet action? Large fleet action not dependent upon blobs?

I WANT!

I WANT NOW!

But I don't know of any alliances that are looking for a gallente flyer who can follow orders while in fleet but is unwilling to subordinate the desire to have fun in a game they pay for to someone else's agenda, and isn't skill capped in all the gunnery/drone/cores.

Most importantly, I'm paying for a game, why the hell am I not allowed to have fun doing it? Why is it so hard to find fun? And by fun I mean blowing **** up and having my ship blown out from under me in a real FIGHT, not an alpha-pop-dead-plzkthxbai crapshoot.

I'd go to null but I hate gatecamps. I hate manning gatecamps because it's boring and stupid, and I hate flying through gatecamps because survival chances are minimal.

Side note: Mining and hauling is on my top ten least favorite things about EVE. But it gets me the ships and modules I want to fly, and in the right circumstances it's a good way to decompress.

That's a 1st good step. Make mining the way to get minerals to build ships, not combat. But, that's only a 1st step. You need to kill blob warfare. Having a Small corp come in and get swamped by 20 times their number makes for a incentive not to bother with null. Killing blob warfare would be a major step in opening up 0.0 to the masses.

Take test space for example. If a 100 man gang comes in and tries to do something they are facing insurmountable odds of getting anywhere. When you know Test will just blob you into submission by bringing 600 + pilots to the fight, why would you bother to even try? It would be a waste of time and resources.

You have the system already in place to make this happen. The limit on pilots in a fleet. Just work out a way to use that system to limit the amount of pilots allowed from one group into a system. Then they have to spread out to surrounding systems and cyno's to jump fleets in, etc. Blob warfare is why 0.0 is so stagnant, whats the point in fighting for space when you'll just be outnumbered at every turn if you aren't a mega alliance.

Ironically, the biggest employers 'blob warfare' (Northern Coalition, CFC, Prov Holders, etc) have been the most open to new and small alliances. Contrariwise, employers of numerically small fleets of supercaps and titans have installed some of the most monolithic power blocs in the game.

Live in unconquerable NPC 0.0 Fountain space like several small alliances already do. Many sov-holding alliances have got their start from NPC 0.0.

If you think blob warfare hurts small alliances, just wait until we see this idea of fighting supercap blobs while having a cap on how many players you can bring on the field.