EVE General Discussion

All I've seen so far is input from pubbies who have never lived in null or have some idea that null is a magical fairly land where everyone is blue and isk flows everywhere and no one ever worries about anything, instead of being the a hell hole where you're constantly watching your back for gangs of 50 jackasses who want to blow up your ratting ship you spent 600 mil on because you're trying to bump your isk making from 30 mil an hour to 45 and you've been doing damn sanctums for 6 hours because you need to make a bil before the next strat op/hd fleet/roam because you lose 5-10 ships a week moving crap around, trying to get to staging systems, whatever. Yeah null is a happy place. You go to null for fleet fights. You know big ones, 500 vs 500. That costs isk. But in between those you get to deal with trying to drive 30-50 man gangs out of your space, clearing gate camps, trying to drive of jackasses that spend WEEKS cloaked in systems picking people off. Null sec is not for the faint of heart, its for those with more stubborness than sense.

Want to know why there's no mining in null anymore?

A: You can't actually mine enough to do a goddamn thing, industrialists will look at what you mine in a week, laugh and import 200x that from high sec.

B: You WILL die, over and over and over and over and over. No one wants to go through 2-3 hulks (600 mil just for the hulls) while only making 10 mil an hour.

C: The second anyone sees that the industry index in a system is 1 or higher you'll have 2-3 jackasses in bombers or cloaky t3s camping the system. They will never leave. And you can't risk mining with them in system because they'll just drop a 30 man blops gang on you and its over. And forget trying to get 30-40 people to sit in a belt with you for 4-6 hours doing nothing. You'll probably get caps dropped on you anyway.

There's a reason TEST tells its members "The dumbest thing you can do is mine". There's no profit (removing drone goo wont fix that), you can't mine enough to actually do a damn thing with it, and the ships are made of paper and cost more than most ratting ships.

Are you going to:
A. Mine for 10 mil an hour per hulk
B. Rat at 45 mil an hour (Sanctums with a tengu)
C. Do incursions and make 70-100 mil an hour + LP

You do C. And then you just compress and import a bunch of minerals. And I don't want to hear a word about nerfing compression or JFs, all you'll do is destroy the ability of anyone to make ANYTHING. You people don't realize the sheer volume of crap it takes to replace the ships from one fleet fight, let alone to build a regular cap, super, or titan. You'd need 50 people mining 6 hours a day for YEARS, not weeks, not months, YEARS to build any of that crap solely mining in nullsec. So forget it.

You want to make people mine in null? Give us a new tier of ore. That only spawns in gravs and gives 3 times the current amount of ore thats dropped. And give us some goddamn veldspar. Then give us some way to counter cloaky bastards who sit in system 23/7 for weeks at a time. Then make mining barges into ships that won't explode just because someone looked at it funny.

You best be using shorter posts, we're not but humble PvPers

Is a tl;dr explanation at the bottom too much to ask?

Null should not be peaceful , it should be at War FOREVER , with both battlefields and farming systems .

Why I dont go to 0.0?

I think Mittani says it best.

"Nullsec is a small and insular group of players. Most of us have been killing each other for years and changed sides so many times we can't keep track of who we're angry at. Podding happens so often that it isn't even discussed."


I dare any of these 0.0 alliance leaders to make an alt, dont tell anyone who you are, dont use your resources, play like an actual noob and try and join your own alliance. Then you will see why alot of people have given up hope in 0.0.

Exactly. I'm not averse to having my spaceship violenced or being podded. I've been active enough over the years to acquire some friends and enough isk-stability to fund a decent pvp lifestyle. That said, sov nullsec makes even the most proficient and socially-flexible individuals bend to the breaking point. There is a good-ol'-boy club out there, most of whom are joined by third-party website affiliations or long-standing game connections. This hasn't happened by accident. EVE in general, and espcially in nullsec, is a game of trust. The way things are set up right now, trust is at such a premium that nobody dares trust a newcomer with more than an inch of leash.

Any 0.0 reform that doesn't address the serious issue of inbred alliance syndrome will be absolutely wasting their time. Leaving one's mark on the game is a hallmark of EVE, but enabling long-standing groups to prevent anyone else from leaving a mark has created the status quo.

You want to make people mine in null? Give us a new tier of ore. That only spawns in gravs and gives 3 times the current amount of ore thats dropped. And give us some goddamn veldspar. Then give us some way to counter cloaky bastards who sit in system 23/7 for weeks at a time. Then make mining barges into ships that won't explode just because someone looked at it funny.