EVE General Discussion

What is in it for me?
Alliances that think it is a job? NO thanks.
NBSI? Screw that.
Oh, that moon is reserved for pet corp X? Yeah, great.
Not my butt buddy? Well forget docking at my station.

The reality is null sec is a cluster for those of us who like to play in our own way on our own schedule.
This is fine, from our point of view. It is only the 0.0 corps looking for cannon fodder that complain.

0.0 is empty because those who live there wish it to be that way. Simple.
C.
PS: the only (vague) exception to this is Providence.

as a miners perspective (remember a miner is only 1 type of industrialist, I can't speak on their behalf.)

I would like to be able to hide in plan site.
currently a roam can zip into system, look at local and run to a belt randomly.. Essentially a Twich based game.

I have a scout in place the previous system over, so only means I pack up and go to POS till the person leaves system

If all belts, including the Veldspar ones to be scannable. and a wormhole type local.
This way me hiding and them hunting becomes a game of gathering information and tactics wish will then result in a hunt and kill.
if this was the case I would mine closer to the front lines as roams would have to take the effort to find me which many PVPers have ADD. As they would rather quickly run the pipe than search under the rocks.

As it stands I have an AFK cloaker in system and we stay docked. A very simple boring stale mate. (Like Checkers)
Resulting in No Ships getting blown up. And no fun for miners.

With out local and hidden belts the game leading to stale mate takes a lot longer. (Like Chess)

CCP said they are upgrading local so I hope this turns for the better.

remove death penalty, nd nullsec will be full of ppl

Since nullsec is an untamed wildland, why not introduce NPC 'beasts' (rogue drones for instance) which hunt down players and can actually wreck significant havoc?

Small or mobile fleets could move around without little or no risk while stationary or large gatherings of players would almost certainly attract an attack or a few. Blobbing, gate camping, and shooting structures would suddenly become much more unsafe.

Maybe players could even earn income by specifically attracting and killing these 'beasts', with loadouts that are not well-suited for PvP.

In order to work the AI and the damage output of the 'beast' should probably be very carefully designed.

Just my 0.02 ISK.

As a PvE player here is my 2 cents worth regarding 0.0 space.

A problem that is currently rampant in EVE is that a vast majority of players are in High Sec, instead of spread out. So the question really is, like some other folks in the forum have pointed out, is as follows:

How do you get people to get out of high sec?

Well, that is the big question that is on everyones mind. So you can break it down into two sub questions:

1) How do you get people to go to low/0.0?
2) What is keeping players out of low/0.0?


As for 1), I have seen many solutions, such as increasing rewards in low/0.0 space .... which might get some to leave high sec, but make the corporations that are holding huge swaths of the map too wealthy. So if you increase ISK rewards in 0.0 - put a system in place that makes holding SOV increasingly expensive with each extra system added. This would limit corps from being too large, and promote smaller corps ... hence more folks heading back out. In short, prevent monopolies from starting, they are broken up for a good reason in RL. One thing to prevent an work around, is that if you form an Alliance - the cost of maintaining systems goes up also, based on the total amount of systems held by the allied systems.


One thing that I see is that if you want to get people that are of the PvE mindset, who frequently are not interested in PvP, to go into areas where they can be blown up with ease - lend them some protection.

NPC 0.0 space (Sisters of Eve, ORE, etc. Factions), its an relatively small area of 0.0 space. Set it up that if a player gets high enough FACTION rep, that in that area of NPC 0.0 space you get the navy (not concord) to protect you if you get attacked. Of course, usual rules apply as in high sec regarding aggression, so can fliping works, etc - to protect PvP players from getting abused. PvP will still happen since Navy ships can be tanked, but it would take a more dedicated group to attack protected players. In short that would make those areas a watered down mini high sec in small areas, with players getting some protections, but nothing like the CONCORD overkill. Various NPC factions will give different protection, for different faction standings, for example:

ORE NPC faction:
4.0 gives protection in ore belts.
6.0 gives protection in by NPC space stations.
8.0 gives protection by gates.

The Servant Sisters of Eve faction:
4.0 gives protection in anomalies.
6.0 gives protection in mission areas.
8.0 gives protection in stations.

This would have the effect of creating small oasis of moderate protection for players in NPC 0.0 space, which would open up areas for trade (risky), mining, increased 0.0 player interaction with PvE players - which is something CCP has been trying to do for a while now, with little (if any) success.

As for 2), there have also been a bunch of solutions. But one that comes to mind from a PvE perspective, is that there is an remarkable disparity between PvE and PvP equipped ships when it gets down to PvP combat. In some cases, it literally boils down to the dreaded "I win button" situation for the PvP equipped ship. Hence the idea "I got no chance" if I get jumped during missions/mining/ect. in low/0.0 - which is an big disincentive for many players.

A much talked about situation with industrialist, especially miners is that they lack any real defence - give them some ships that can cloak or tank ... giving them a chance to survive gate camps and make detecting them a tad harder. Tech 2 transport ships, have been given tools to cloak or take a beating and survive ... why cant miners have something similar. That combined with increased rewards, would give industralists incentives to leave high sec.

Another idea is to rig it that every ship can mount 1 free PvP oriented module on a ship - so giving PvE fitted ships a little bit of an protection agains a fully PvP rigged ship. Obviously that would be a lot of work to balance all ships with this change.

Anyways, many good ideas have been discussed in this and other threads. So hopefully something good happens.

lol, get back to WoW

This.

I love nullsec types who have near 0 experience bar a bit of rumour or listening to the alliance leader whinig about how its taken almost a month to fund his latest supercap, telling us how easy it is in HS compared to Null.

You want hard, go to a wormhole.

I feel with you brother :)

This is ******** in my opinion, the only thing that makes living in drone space is the ability to build your own stuff as your so cut off from hi-sec that bringing in your own stuff from hi-sec is vastly ridiculous difficult for any quantity over half a dozen smaller ships.

This means that Building yourself is the most viable option. and you want to take that away? and yes even though you get mins from the drone goo which you use to build the ships you fly mining is still not useless as you never seem to get the right stuff and still end up mining for hours to build the ships.