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onyx for closeing WH

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Lord LazyGhost
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-05-03 20:29:02 UTC
hi guys anyone got a fit for a onyx to help closeing a WH ?.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-05-03 20:39:45 UTC
Lord LazyGhost wrote:
hi guys anyone got a fit for a onyx to help closeing a WH ?.


Searching works

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1362234#post1362234

It doesnt show an onyx, but you can easily figure out a fit for one.
Lord LazyGhost
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-05-03 20:49:11 UTC
ty :P
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-05-04 05:34:52 UTC
Here is the fit that I use, if you trust me then open it in IGB, trust the site and click on the gears for the fit to open in-game.

http://vergeofcollapse.com/armory/display.php?fitid=51849d7e94043
Lord LazyGhost
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-05-04 13:37:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord LazyGhost
Gnaw LF wrote:
Here is the fit that I use, if you trust me then open it in IGB, trust the site and click on the gears for the fit to open in-game.

http://vergeofcollapse.com/armory/display.php?fitid=51849d7e94043


jsut a silly question no 1600mm plate on it to help with mass?

like this fit from that link above?

Here's a quick Onyx fit I put together. It's a little tight on powergrid, but you should be able to adjust accordingly. Drop the DCU and add another RCU if you need more grid. Also leaves 1 mid slot free for utility.

This will take you mass down to pod-size going in and 68 million kg on the way back.

[Onyx, WH Collapse]

1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II
Damage Control II

100MN Afterburner I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Large Shield Extender II
[Empty Med slot]

Warp Disruption Field Generator I
Warp Disruption Field Generator I
Warp Disruption Field Generator I
Warp Disruption Field Generator I
Prototype Cloaking Device I
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#6 - 2013-05-04 15:21:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Hidden Fremen
Lord LazyGhost wrote:
Gnaw LF wrote:
Here is the fit that I use, if you trust me then open it in IGB, trust the site and click on the gears for the fit to open in-game.

http://vergeofcollapse.com/armory/display.php?fitid=51849d7e94043


jsut a silly question no 1600mm plate on it to help with mass?

like this fit from that link above?

Here's a quick Onyx fit I put together. It's a little tight on powergrid, but you should be able to adjust accordingly. Drop the DCU and add another RCU if you need more grid. Also leaves 1 mid slot free for utility.

This will take you mass down to pod-size going in and 68 million kg on the way back.

[Onyx, WH Collapse]

1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II
Damage Control II

100MN Afterburner I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Large Shield Extender II
[Empty Med slot]

Warp Disruption Field Generator I
Warp Disruption Field Generator I
Warp Disruption Field Generator I
Warp Disruption Field Generator I
Prototype Cloaking Device I
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


II don't believe you should gimp your HIC, a 200+ mil hull, just to finesse a crit wormhole to collapse. The 100MN AB + bubbles is what that's for. Four Warp Gens is absurd, too. Two is already good enough, but you really should have two on all your HICs, anyway. Toss off the unneeded plate, replace the extra two Gens, fit for tank. This, of course, is merely my opinion.
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#7 - 2013-05-05 02:00:28 UTC
It works pretty good for both roles, actually. You could even slap an acillary shield booster in the spare mid.

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7

Bloody Wench
#8 - 2013-05-05 11:39:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloody Wench
I don't get the HIC thing.

Why do you want LESS mass?

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Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#9 - 2013-05-05 13:11:24 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:
I don't get the HIC thing.

Why do you want LESS mass?


You only want less mass when jumping out of a crit wormhole. You don't want it collapsing on you while you're on the wrong side.
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#10 - 2013-05-06 10:25:31 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:
I don't get the HIC thing.

Why do you want LESS mass?



so you don't get trapped on the other side with your expensive pod which eventually makes you come to the wormhole forums and create a thread.

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.

Bloody Wench
#11 - 2013-05-06 11:31:28 UTC
I just jump an Orca through and if it doesn't shrink on the 4th pass I run a MWD on the last 2 passes.

Having it crit on your way out is exciting and arse puckering at the same time. You sit there staring at the hole wide eyed waiting to see if goes or not.

Make sure you pack a sisters launcher in one of those highs.

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Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#12 - 2013-05-06 11:35:14 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:
I just jump an Orca through and if it doesn't shrink on the 4th pass I run a MWD on the last 2 passes.

Having it crit on your way out is exciting and arse puckering at the same time. You sit there staring at the hole wide eyed waiting to see if goes or not.

Make sure you pack a sisters launcher in one of those highs.


Using a hic is easier....

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Bloody Wench
#13 - 2013-05-06 12:46:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloody Wench
How is it easier than sticking 250M mass through at once?

1,800,000,000 - 2,200,000,000 mass allowance using a ship whos mass is reduced down to a few million?

Makes no sense to me.

If it's on the + side of 2B mass it wont shrink on the 4th pass and will require at least 1 MWD.

Admittedly I've had some that refuse to close on the 8th pass despite having 2 passes with the MWD on, but I know that it's got no more than 100M left in it, and usually leave it alone.

If it's on the - side and does shrink on the 4th pass you know it wont close on you on the 7th pass because you still have 50M left. (well it might if you've had traffic, doesn't apply to rolling)

You're saying doing multiple passes on a 3M Mass ship is effective? How many passes? You still have no idea how much is in it, it's just as likely to close on a pass as it would be using a BC or something. Except you're going through how many times to make up that 200M from crit to close?

If I had a 550M Mass ship that would be the one I'd use all the time. Something that would put me well over the +10% max on a return pass.

Out 550, in 1100 (and definite shrink), out 1650, in 2200. If it doesn't close you've got a freak hole. <-(troll away)

The Orca does the same thing just at 250M at a time + 50M for a MWD pass.

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CeNSeR
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-05-06 14:19:38 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:
I just jump an Orca through and if it doesn't shrink on the 4th pass I run a MWD on the last 2 passes.

Having it crit on your way out is exciting and arse puckering at the same time. You sit there staring at the hole wide eyed waiting to see if goes or not.

Make sure you pack a sisters launcher in one of those highs.



Because using the hick means you DON'T have to sit there wide eyed waiting to see if its gone or not.
AtomYcX
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-05-06 14:50:43 UTC  |  Edited by: AtomYcX
Bloody Wench wrote:
How is it easier than sticking 250M mass through at once?

1,800,000,000 - 2,200,000,000 mass allowance using a ship whos mass is reduced down to a few million?

Makes no sense to me.


I think you've failed to grasp the concept of a closing HIC. You reduce the mass to less than a million kg on the way out with the bubbles, and turn the 100mn AB on for the return, bumping the mass up to around 80 million kg. It's a -very- safe and effective way to close crit holes, especially ones where you don't know the exact mass that's been through it.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-05-06 14:57:16 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:
How is it easier than sticking 250M mass through at once?

1,800,000,000 - 2,200,000,000 mass allowance using a ship whos mass is reduced down to a few million?

Makes no sense to me.

If it's on the + side of 2B mass it wont shrink on the 4th pass and will require at least 1 MWD.

Admittedly I've had some that refuse to close on the 8th pass despite having 2 passes with the MWD on, but I know that it's got no more than 100M left in it, and usually leave it alone.

If it's on the - side and does shrink on the 4th pass you know it wont close on you on the 7th pass because you still have 50M left. (well it might if you've had traffic, doesn't apply to rolling)

You're saying doing multiple passes on a 3M Mass ship is effective? How many passes? You still have no idea how much is in it, it's just as likely to close on a pass as it would be using a BC or something. Except you're going through how many times to make up that 200M from crit to close?

If I had a 550M Mass ship that would be the one I'd use all the time. Something that would put me well over the +10% max on a return pass.

Out 550, in 1100 (and definite shrink), out 1650, in 2200. If it doesn't close you've got a freak hole. <-(troll away)

The Orca does the same thing just at 250M at a time + 50M for a MWD pass.



Do you think people here are talking about using ONLY HIC's to close a WH? They are only used at the very end (typically) to make sure you don't get someone stuck on the wrong side.

Having gotten an Orca stuck in a hostile C5 once, it isn't something I'd personally want to do again. (yea I got it out but it wasn't much fun).
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#17 - 2013-05-07 11:34:43 UTC
A closing HIC is for when people screwed up at hole closing or the hole was used and has unknown mass left and you don't want to be extra-careful reducing it. Like it could have 300-500m left so you just jump battleships until it goes crit and then use the HIC.

The HIC should be optimised for that role and nothing else. I have an extra HIC so I don't have to refit.
-four bubbles (yes why not :p)
-cloak
-t2 probe launcher
-scanning rigs (heh)
-warp stabs
-inertia stabs
-ofc 100mn AB

Damn near uncatchable in the unlikely event that you end up on the wrong side somehow, unless an interdictor decloaks on you.

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