Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Clearly there were huge quantities stockpiled prior to the barge buff, and the relatively low demand will take a long time to absorb them. But it's the extra materials that are responsible for the current disparity. If you could scrap Procurers for anything close to their build cost, there would be no glut.

Yah wicked generalization. I don't make isk fast at all, eve isn't about making isk to me its about pew - I think ships should be cheaper not more xpensive so I can shoot things more.

Seriously.

Calling them attack battleships and reducing their HP isn't exactly a buff.

cannot shake off feeling that battleships got short end of stick in entire tiericide - for most, increase in performance is suspicious at best, entire attack battleship class is dubious compared to attack battlecruisers (cmon, who really needs attack ship with 3 - 4 times the price tag that does less damage and has much lower mobility (ok, more tank, but not like selling point of attack ships is tank)) and their cost-efficiency was problematic even before price increase

With Battleships costing 200+ million for all of them, I'm going to have a hard time justifying flying these niche ships over cheaper and more general purpose battlecruisers which are 3 times cheaper with the hull costs.

Factoring Rig and module costs it will be far far far more cheaper to use battlecruisers than battleships.


I understand your reasoning, but this will definately hurt the usage of battleships.

Battleships have a fairly limited role in today's battles.

Just like ship and tanks of Real life; big size, lack of mobility, and high costs are what killed Battleships and Heavy tanks.

That same will happen to Battleships in EVE.

Had a long response but the draft system screwed it up yet again, so I will make it simple and short.

The cost increase done by CCP will not be the actual total increase. With changes of the ships, the market is still controlled by the players for the most part and so the increase will be even more than what you intended.

I really wish you all would look into all aspects of changes before you implement them in game.

Also with the addition of new ships to the game will add even more problems and balances when there are so many issues that have been on going for years, yet adding more on top will just continue to get the old issues ignore for even more time.

Medium rails for example? Also the blanket resist nerf to ships is a very poor and not thought out nerf.

Not only that but the community has overwhelmingly spoken out against it and provided many alternatives to the nerf, yet they go unanswered.

This cost increase to battleships is detrimental the game and to the players who continue to find their pvp fix in smaller hulls.
A battleship is not worth more than 2 tier 3 battlecruisers and not really worth more than 3 tier 1 and 2 battle cruisers.

Especially not poorly changed raven.

Its a done deal bro, that are setting it in stone and are going to ignore the more experienced player base.

Maybe the fixes will come in another few years. Until then we get glorious price increases with ships that are not even close to the value of cost.

Government knows best right? Errr CCP.

It is a balancing factor.

Why pay 3-4 times maybe even 5 times more considering rig and fitting costs on a Battleships which have fairly niche usage

where its not a whole lot better than general battlecruisers in that niche?


Increasing the cost of Battleships does very little to fix the BC vs BS situation where 9/10 players will fly a BC over a BS.

I have news for you, the other forums speaking of the changes do not warrant the price increase that the community will feel in their pockets. This will no doubt make battleship use even less common.

Perhaps you should factor that into your view of balance vs cost because, cost is a balance factor when compared to other hulls.

Though I do not see you as the type as being able to figure that out, when everyone else is currently saying the opposite as you.

Reductio ad absurdum. Dreadnoughts do not offer jump bridges or a 5 million m³ ship hangar / 112 thousand m³ cargo space. You also don't have to lock them in place for five minutes to deal that damage and can deliver a burst of three million damage up front at the cost of only locking it in place for thirty seconds.

Stop embarrassing yourself.