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[Odyssey] Tech 1 Battleships - Build Costs

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Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#501 - 2013-09-14 13:27:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Sgt Ocker
RubyPorto wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
It hasn't with other ships as yet.. It still costs more to build them than they are selling for. Average sell price of a rifter, 350k, build cost just over 400k. Merlin sell 350k, material build cost 396k. These were balanced sometime ago now so i would imagine any stockpiles would either be depleted or close to it, so what is keeping prices below build cost? Mineral costs have not significantly changed over the last 3 months, volumes moved on a few have reduced over the same period. Does this mean less people are building in large volumes, or, are more people who mine building end product themselves?



So, the easiest ships to stockpile are taking the longest to normalize. Shocking.

You can make 650 Rifters on one BPO in one slot in a month with 252.5m ISK worth of mins.

And, as it happens, Rifters are being profitably produced. You seem to expect them to be profitable to produce at ME 0 which is, ridiculous.
Actually the BPO is 85me 45 pe, waste is 0.09 or 24 trit = 120 isk (and by the time you take in time and transport costs, not more profitable than running a lvl 3 mission or 2 with the mission taking less time and immediate return but no the rifter was an example, it is across the board, I've spent 2 years and a lot of isk building up and researching BPO's only to find many of them are now worth less than market price for an unresearched bpo. Just take a look at contracts and see how many multiple bpo contracts of well researched bpo's are available.. They are not worth buying right now as the return on investment is not there.

NB; with my bpo I can build 650 rifters for around 223 mil @ 343k per, current av jita price is around 315k . Even taking the extra time to sell them outside trade hubs (more time on market - slower return on investment, more transport related costs) the profit margin is not viable. Oh and taking my bpo to 100 me would save me an extra 120 isk per ship to build for 19 days 12hrs of research, each research slot costs me close to 60,000 isk per day. Do the math.

To make rifters at least, viable to build again (based on your example of 650) they need to sell for a minimum of 600k giving a 150k profit per ship which allowing 3 months for 650 rifters to sell works out at 1,08mil per day from the production of 650 rifters with an initial outlay of 223 mil + market transaction costs.

Do the math on battleships at current prices, the return on your investment as a researcher / builder is not good.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#502 - 2013-09-14 17:20:16 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Sgt Ocker wrote:
NB; with my bpo I can build 650 rifters for around 223 mil @ 343k per, current av jita price is around 315k . Even taking the extra time to sell them outside trade hubs (more time on market - slower return on investment, more transport related costs) the profit margin is not viable. Oh and taking my bpo to 100 me would save me an extra 120 isk per ship to build for 19 days 12hrs of research, each research slot costs me close to 60,000 isk per day. Do the math.


There are buy orders for nearly 1000 rifters at abover 375k/unit in Jita right now. The history table indicates that the average transaction price is 394k. Where in gods name are you getting 315k.

That it's profitable at all indicates that the stockpiles have largely dried up. So if you're unhappy with the profitability of Rifters, your problem is with your competitors who are happy with that level of profitability.

Battleship stockpiles have not yet dried up. Especially T1 Battleships.


BPO market prices have been increased across the board. There are stockpiles of those as well (as well as BPOs used to make the stockpiles of the ships). When those run dry, your BPO markets will be back to normal. In the future, make some effort to learn about expansions before they come out. The people ruining your profits did, and that's why they're beating you.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#503 - 2013-09-15 02:53:33 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
NB; with my bpo I can build 650 rifters for around 223 mil @ 343k per, current av jita price is around 315k . Even taking the extra time to sell them outside trade hubs (more time on market - slower return on investment, more transport related costs) the profit margin is not viable. Oh and taking my bpo to 100 me would save me an extra 120 isk per ship to build for 19 days 12hrs of research, each research slot costs me close to 60,000 isk per day. Do the math.


There are buy orders for nearly 1000 rifters at abover 375k/unit in Jita right now. The history table indicates that the average transaction price is 394k. Where in gods name are you getting 315k.

That it's profitable at all indicates that the stockpiles have largely dried up. So if you're unhappy with the profitability of Rifters, your problem is with your competitors who are happy with that level of profitability.

Battleship stockpiles have not yet dried up. Especially T1 Battleships.


BPO market prices have been increased across the board. There are stockpiles of those as well (as well as BPOs used to make the stockpiles of the ships). When those run dry, your BPO markets will be back to normal. In the future, make some effort to learn about expansions before they come out. The people ruining your profits did, and that's why they're beating you.
ok, I used to build frigates in batches of 100, am 14 jumps from jita. I won't outlay 34mil and haul to jita for a 4mil profit, my time is more valuable than 1 mil isk per day (thats if the buyers aren't using margin trading).

Sorry but how do you figure BPO's will run dry? BPO's don't have an expiry date, they have unlimited runs. . CCP sell orders don't deplete, if there are 100 for sale and you buy 1 there are still 100 for sale ( thought this was a bug, apparently it isn't). So until CCP withdraws them from the market, the only way the current supply / stock of BPO's will get depleted is via the odd ship loss while loaded with them.

I did read patch notes and dev blogs, don't build and haven't since the updates, what i have now is close to 200 bpo's that are right now and for the foreseeable future, worthless

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#504 - 2013-09-15 03:50:33 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
ok, I used to build frigates in batches of 100, am 14 jumps from jita. I won't outlay 34mil and haul to jita for a 4mil profit, my time is more valuable than 1 mil isk per day (thats if the buyers aren't using margin trading).


Someone else is. What's the problem?

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Sorry but how do you figure BPO's will run dry? BPO's don't have an expiry date, they have unlimited runs. . CCP sell orders don't deplete, if there are 100 for sale and you buy 1 there are still 100 for sale ( thought this was a bug, apparently it isn't). So until CCP withdraws them from the market, the only way the current supply / stock of BPO's will get depleted is via the odd ship loss while loaded with them.


The stockpiles of BPOs I'm referring to are the player owned BPOs purchased before the NPC price changed. Those stockpiles get depleted by increases in overall demand, which drives investment in new BPOs.

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I did read patch notes and dev blogs, don't build and haven't since the updates, what i have now is close to 200 bpo's that are right now and for the foreseeable future, worthless


Then you should have read them more closely, understood their implications, and divested before the inevitable stagnation of the market.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon