Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Should no one care starting by CCP Rise I'd still share my opinion about this, and it's obviously a not good opinion at all.

Lets see all factors I can put together to prove how bad this is.
*Whats the point of playing some game where getting your character better skilled is exponentially negative?

->POD cost (implants are not an issue)

->ship performance and player ability to do more stuff goes down by a large margin

->ship price is going up for mystical reasons: read BS's at T3 level are already expensive for their poor performances.

->unless your alliance or corp has an extremely good reimbursement program, and are masochists, you have no valuable reason to invest skills and time farming isk to afford these, let idiots do this and stick to BC's T2 cruisers, dictors and frigates. (many do it already)

->Tier 3 Battlecruisers use most BS skills and perform better in general terms, for Capitals is pre requisite, so you can jump those BS and their game play and you will loose absolutely nothing of interesting in Eve.

->There's nothing you can do with a Battleship you can't do with a Tier 3 BC/Navy or T3 Cruiser in PVE, add dreadnaughts and Carriers and you can safely say there's nothing you can do with BS's you can't do with Tier 3 BC's T3 cruisers and Capitals but much better.

*skills -> skill for a BS is already debatable but after changes is pure madness, after skill requirement to fly BC's you have no reason to add SP to your character just for the fun of shooting yourself in the head

Thank you very much POD pod prices and structures bashing !! -bombing BS fleet will now have a new good taste !!
Thank you CCP for this absolute silliness where you just forgot something that SHOULD be more important than pseudo economic in game reasons and junky pixels accouters: it's a game and players should have fun progressing, not make it a second/main job or a punishment for playing on the long run (pod prices and BS performances/skills).

That will be all, things are set so GL with this choice and future threadnaughts. You guys will be doing the same job twice instead of once.

Thing is, though, unless you want to shove them in a tackling frigate a BS is a good place to shove a noob since long-range beam/rail/arti sniping is the only thing they can land with L4 skills in a pvp scenario while the insurance will cover most of their costs. Sure T3 BCs do the exact same thing and offer more mobility, but thats part of the problem and not the solution.

I don't agree with that. The fact that you get lots of extra tank makes a battleship worthwhile, Battleships are meant to occupy a very specific role in fleet doctrines and as such require support to perform at their best in a fleet set up. The extra tank also comes in handy when grinding level 4's solo and as such they are much more survivable than an ABC, hence they are worth flying. They are too expensive though which is why a lot of players make do with ABC's for mission running or fleet work. Prices need to come down.

When are these going be unstickied to give Page 1 back to Player Posts? Odyssey is in and the Feedback and Issues threads are active. Why not replace these with a "Link Sticky" to those two threads?

We all know how lazy we are to go clicking...wait for it...past Page 3 of this Forum section.

Did the price increase get implemented? I checked the material requirements for the dominix and its about a 1/3 of the hyperion... Can someone explain how the change was implemented?

So you think the Secret Plan behind these changes are to get people to stop using battleships and use cruisers or BCs instead? It's certainly a consequence of the Odyssey changes, though I have no idea why CCP developers hate battleships. Maybe their mothers were frightened by a pod of whales at some point. I will say that this is making level 4 mission running damned expensive (I use a Domi), and a loss is going to be disastrous.
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But do you really think (or does CCP think) that the supply of minerals lying around in space is what drives mineral prices? I had thought that the primary driver of mineral prices was the willingness of players with a very high boredom threshold to actually go out and mine the stuff. Maybe I'm wrong...I sure hope so.

Just revisiting this post in light of the current market where I am finding it is more expensive to produce some battleships and mining barges than to buy them. I just wanted to ask, is this going to be looked at again? Surely if you look at averaging the prices, you should average the minerals for each ship too, meaning that there is no significant reduction in he use of low end minerals ( at least in the initial instance before the changes occured)?

I am in FW and am not a manufacturer, but some people I know are becoming more disrguntled over producing ships. Are CCP still looking at this issue?

This will eventually sort itself out once the backlog of ships produced dwindles.

It hasn't with other ships as yet.. It still costs more to build them than they are selling for. Average sell price of a rifter, 350k, build cost just over 400k. Merlin sell 350k, material build cost 396k. These were balanced sometime ago now so i would imagine any stockpiles would either be depleted or close to it, so what is keeping prices below build cost? Mineral costs have not significantly changed over the last 3 months, volumes moved on a few have reduced over the same period. Does this mean less people are building in large volumes, or, are more people who mine building end product themselves?