Player Features and Ideas Discussion

What do you tell a woman with 2 black eyes?



Nothing you havent told her twice before..




Sorry insensitive joke, but yet we are all getting a little prison raped here, at the expense of being told they know whats good for us.

Our governments tell us the same, that is what you call.... Ironic..

Yep, I caught rumor of large missile buffs, and battleship changes and I reactivated my accounts to come to find out, only cruise are getting touched right now and though its a decent buff, that still leaves torps with no word and they need to have a substantial increase to damage applicability.

So then I was like Hey, let me see if the raven is actually going to be made useful for pvp, I looked at the changes, shook my head in disgust and watched how little was actually done aside from the drone nerf and the tank nerf to an already weak ship.
Then a mid slot was added to compensate a little, but its just a lost cause.

Caldari thread had so very little feedback from the devs, and I decided to look at the others and compare. Needless to say the feedback caldari had was about the mid slot increase after the 2 nerfs and a question answered about the navy raven.

Oh and a random, we dont know how we are going get missiles figured out just yet, and that was it. So a total of 4 responses to a bunch of disgruntled players then I see the huge number of feedback on the other races and battleships and was disgusted by how many they got.

I really have no caldari skills on any of my pilots and was looking to skill back in because I got rid of my old caldari pilot.
Needless to say, its still not worth it, and with the increase of cost to battleships, they are not even worth flying at this point unless you are attached to a large alliance with a replacement program.

Probably going to lapse again on my accounts, see no real interests in getting back in. Not worth the 30$ a month, perhaps in the future maybe.

Though Caldari pilots are really getting the shaft for sure.

+1 fully agree, there's hardly any dev participation in any of the ship rebalance threads, why ask for feedback if you aren't even going to acknowledge it.

Thats a really sad fact and people have critisized CCP for this all over the threads. As game developer I understand the stress they are currently under but they should have money and the personel to read and comment for the threads. Also CSM participation seems to be lacking which is also a sad thing.

@ Hagika
Shield/launcher ships are very problematic balance wise. Missiles are versatile damage weapon system that enables you to pierce through any known tank in EVE when you know what damage to shoot. When you fit your ship well they can also take out smaller ships which turret systems can't always do. When mixed to tank shield (mid slot) type that allows you to fit good bunch of damage mods to low slots you get really deadly system.

What comes to Raven I think it will get massive boost in Odyssey. That extra mid and the cruise buff makes it really good ship. Bit of irony though is that Typhoon seems to be better missile boat even Winmatars did not ever have primary missile system boats.. I could kick the dev / designer in CCP who keeps turning the M upside down for Winmatar.. Like they did not have already good toys or superior toys.

As the changes go it seems that CCP aims to move BS into meta game toys. Ships are now too difficult to fly for new players that would do missions included the cost they start to be really bad choice. So you probably end up starting your EVE career with navy BCs or other smaller type ship type that you can do the content to kick start you up.

What comes to BS as PVP platform. ABCs have been way better in overall for PVP for long time now. They have speed and the damage, even tracking, some even drones. If you want PVP with large guns look for ABCs.

All in all I am really sad what is happening to BSes. These changes put BSes into shadow. Ships that have been really iconic part of EVE for long. Then again it gives more space for more agile ships to be flown so we will see what we will experience in Odyssey.

As someone with high missile skills and Caldari battleship 5 who has tested the new Raven on Duality-

It's not good. At all. Still slow (hampered by awful capacitor and poor agility), EXCEPTIONALLY poor defense (Seriously- the NAVY AUGOROR can pretty much beat the Raven in terms of EHP- It's loads cheaper and it still does 50% of the Raven's DPS!), it has the sig of a small moon... There really are no upsides to the Raven now, at all, anymore, except maybe 'selectable damage types'. You have flight time (which was admittedly cut with the cruise missile boost), you have enemy sig/velocity penalties (which were smoothed out a bit with the cruise missile buffs, but I'm not sure how well it'll actually go), you have NO staying power whatsoever in ANY fight, you don't have the capacitor to haul your battleship into kiting range, you don't have the DPS to thwart an active tanked Dominix somehow... This ship is not worth 200 million ISK. This whole rebalancing of battleships has hit Caldari in the balls so hard that honestly they're only worth flying in the frigate and cruiser categories. You will NOT see more Ravens be flown in PvP. Likely, it'll drop off to actually being zero. Same with Scorpions. HORRIBLE sig resolution, abysmal forced armor tank, no weapons, first primary... ~180 million ISK. Not worth it. Not worth it at all.