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State War Academy
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-05-04 02:55:49 UTC
DrBiologist wrote:
Iudicium Vastus wrote:
Aren't we forgetting the Transporter technology? Why not beam an armed boarding crew into the enemy vessel, or beam a torpedo onto the engineering decks.

And why focus so much on The Federation, why not go against all of ST. Many other vessels have cloaks as well (The Klingon). The Borg have what is basically an adaptive invulnerability field that reaches 100% resistance. Hell, maybe the Ferengi would take over New Eden's market and crush capsuleer manufacturing and distribution.


/thread

Transport a torpedo to the pod room.

lmao Startrek wins



They have to know about pods first, meanwhile I wonder what happens when my dramiel rams into them at 5k/s. I bounce; do they?
Wanderinlost
Task Force MK7
#42 - 2013-05-04 05:30:51 UTC
I do not see the star trek, or star wars comparison. Eve is mostly about human interstellar warfare, which is conducted primarily through warships, corporations and navies. The author david weber has written alot of books based on historical naval warfare, large battles and such in a futuristic space setting. Eve is its own thing but the larger scale battles, empire building and politics in webers works has alot closer parallels the eve universe than anything else I can think of.
Sishen Gzi
Hellion Support Services
#43 - 2013-05-04 06:04:01 UTC
It all depends on whose universe we fight in really, if we fight in theirs they win since every time we light our engines we would go spinning off in a nauseating way, especially if you're Caldari. If we fight in our universe we would win since we would just scam them out of their ships and the shoot the life pods they ended up in after the eviction. and if you really want to read a author who is strong on current science and possible space warfare try Jack Campbell's lost fleet series.
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#44 - 2013-05-04 06:13:58 UTC
If the federation from SF wandered into EvE they would probably go balls to the wall with diplomacy. A single null outpost would most likely out produce all of alpha quadrant and once they find out we are effectively immortal (even if they try and disrupt signal our clones are backed up regularly, we would simply loose all thought from the last update) they wouldn't really be interested in starting anything. They would try their hardest to keep their tech secret since the only advantage they have is their non cyno warp drive system and transponders and with the scale of force projection even a small corp can throw, they can't win on alpha strikes or attrition (even if they blow up a ship in a full scale war you'd just awaken and get cyno'd in with a brand new one).

I don't really expect war as such. The federation is too small and too smart for that. Eventually they would run out of resources and have to trade some technologies over, in which case there is monopolies and skullduggery and then it ends up everywhere. On the other hand, EvE is too large a universe to care about them, except for transponders and warp drives for combat and maybe replicator fluid if it can be found/manufactured here.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#45 - 2013-05-04 06:26:26 UTC
Janeway and Picard arrange a NIP/NAP with The Mittani. Everyone loses.

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Tank Talbot
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2013-05-04 06:42:50 UTC
mr ed thehouseofed wrote:
borg would wipe everybody out Twisted


Borg? They would become new minions of Sansha or hosts for Sleepers if they wander too far into WH space.

I lean toward EVE factions wining. Phasers are just phased laser weapons and photon torpedoes aren't that much different than torps here. It would be like fighting Sansha ships with a couple of torp mounts up high. A few Amarr cap draining and tracking disruptor ships would ruin their day as Star Trek ships have always had trouble with cap drain / ewar ships in the shows. Not to mention a cloak capable Curse would be their nightmare... Classic Kirk would be their only hope but he would get distracted in Gallente space.
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#47 - 2013-05-04 06:49:16 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Janeway and Picard arrange a NIP/NAP with The Mittani. Everyone loses.


Not everybody.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#48 - 2013-05-04 07:09:12 UTC
Trini Soren wrote:
Anything piloted by James T Kirk will win. Just because he always wins. Any Eve ship he goes up against will have some malfunction or he will fabricate a doomsday weapon out of a dilithium crystal, a piece of wool and a used condom. Or something. He always wins. It's just the way it goes.


And by the end of the battle he will have somehow lost his shirt (or at least strategically ripped it) and hit on a receptive hot alien babe.

Jim Kirk is the Chuck Norris of space.

Mr Epeen Cool
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-05-04 08:10:45 UTC
Jove > failfleet
Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#50 - 2013-05-04 09:25:31 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Janeway and Picard arrange a NIP/NAP with The Mittani. Everyone loses.


Hahaha, I had a similar thought.

It should be remember that possessions and wealth accumilation are not motivators in Star Trek's Federation. I think the likes of HBC and CFC would capitulate fairly early on in any conflict, much like the Ferengi did.

Also, Star Trek technology is depicted as that which is available in the 25th C. I wonder how advanced Starfleet's weapons and ships would be, given a further 20,000 years of progress?
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#51 - 2013-05-04 09:50:39 UTC
mr ed thehouseofed wrote:
borg would wipe everybody out Twisted


As Picard so amply demonstrated, the borg can't 'assimilate' good old fashion projectiles. Only the Amarr would have any problem with them, and they could just swap out to their new fancy drone and missile boats.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#52 - 2013-05-04 10:13:34 UTC
Lasers can't even penetrate the Enterprise's navigation shield (first contact with the Ferengi?) but Tachyon beams, Anode Pulse Particle Streams... well we can't be sure.

None the less I suspect that the fight would go something like...

EVE fleet warps in to find a spread of Photon Torpedos already en route to their warp-in.
EVE FC holds his ground and suffers minor damage before cursing because the EMP effect of the torps means his inties can't get tackle.
Tactical officer on the Starfleet ship reports the hostiles shields as down, not realising that the fleet is armour tanked.
EVE FC manages to get tackle and EWar applied and begins to pound on Starfleet.
Unable to achieve phaser-lock Starfleet resort so spread fire and photon torpedo barrages, the effect is insufficient given the size of the hostile fleet.
...
Starfleet engineering officer comes up with a plan to fire a graviton particle beam, using the main deflector as it's the only component rated to take the load, and creates a black hole in the centre of the EVE fleet which destroys every ship involved.
Starfleet sail on, safe in the knowledge that they will always have the technological edge in making stuff up. Roll
Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-05-04 15:14:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Adela Talvanen
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
Adela Talvanen wrote:
Eve is international, Star Trek is American. I prefer the comparison of Eve vs Star Wars, as the SW ships don't need stargates, and can actually land on other celestial bodies with solid surfaces.


Since when is Star Wars a "science fiction"?

OP, my vote goes to EVE. There are exactly two things working in Star Trek's advantage: slightly superior warp drive and unknown power of phasers. Even then, EVE cluster wins in mobility due to vastly superior jump gate network. Beyond that, EVE cluster will throw thousands upon thousands of ships into the fight, only to have them return after being blown up - eventually, ST forces would simply be overwhelmed.

As for ST being immune to "primitive" lasers, that's not the case. In fact, part of the reason phasers were invented was the fact that lasers could in fact penetrate shields, but couldn't deal enough damage, while physical weapons could deal damage, but couldn't penetrate shields - that's exactly how different types of ammo affects EVE shields as well. Furthermore, EVE cluster possesses a wide variety of weapons, from simple nuclear devices to plasma torpedoes, gravitational distortion fields, antimatter weapons and more. We learnt in Balance of Terror that a point blank nuke could inflict damage on the Enterprise - now imagine a hundred of those hitting at once - that has to hurt. And last but not least, should all else fail, there's still the might of the Titans and their doomsdays, capable of obliterating an entire world.


Since the same time as Eve has been give or take a few years, but Star Wars is more realistic in terms of technology and especially scope, and in my view its setting is the same i.e. here in the Milky Way galaxy.
Delkana Fox
L4 Directorate
#54 - 2013-05-04 17:03:15 UTC
My math could be off, but once out of sheer boredom I tried to figure out the speed of eve ships. I Used google, and an online star trek warp speed calculator. I didn't figure out all the speed tiers just a couple.

The EVE warp speed of 3.0 AU/s is about 1497 times the speed of light and is about Warp 8.966 on the TNG scale.

Eve warp speed of 13.5 AU/s is about 6736 times the speed of light and is about warp 9.90495 on the TNG scale.

Once again it was late when I figured this out and might be wrong
Niko medes
Freeman Technologies
#55 - 2013-05-04 17:13:53 UTC
New Eden capsuleers would crush Starfleet. Hell even without the capsuleers The Empires would destroy them.


Lest we forget immortal soldiers / dusties...

just throw them at Starfleet worlds and watch everyone die.
hellcane
Never Back Down
#56 - 2013-05-04 19:00:45 UTC
The major hurdle for eve would be when Scotty betrays us to go back to kirk and nobody can undock.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#57 - 2013-05-04 19:03:33 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
If I recall correctly... someone did some math comparing the warp drives of EVE ships and those in Star Trek.

It came out that warp 9 or 10 made a Star Trek ships move at about 1 or 2 AU/sec. This means that every EVE ship that is not a freighter could effectively outrun almost any Star Trek ship at faster than light speeds... however at sub-light speeds Star Trek ships would outrun EVE ships due to their impulse engines (as they are thought to be able to reach about 1/4 the speed of light).

In actuality... EVE ships don't need stargates to get around... it's simply MUCH faster to go from system to system through them... gives gives the EVE universe an undisputable advantage in a defensive war against anything from Star Trek (save the Borg who can travel at transwarp speeds).

How did you Veterans start?
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#58 - 2013-05-04 19:10:30 UTC
I'd pay to see the Federation (StarTrek) get hot-dropped a few times as well...

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#59 - 2013-05-04 20:29:24 UTC
DrBiologist wrote:
Iudicium Vastus wrote:
Aren't we forgetting the Transporter technology? Why not beam an armed boarding crew into the enemy vessel, or beam a torpedo onto the engineering decks.

And why focus so much on The Federation, why not go against all of ST. Many other vessels have cloaks as well (The Klingon). The Borg have what is basically an adaptive invulnerability field that reaches 100% resistance. Hell, maybe the Ferengi would take over New Eden's market and crush capsuleer manufacturing and distribution.


/thread

Transport a torpedo to the pod room.

lmao Startrek wins


You can't, it's shielded.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Xorcha
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2013-05-04 22:26:05 UTC
I reckon Eve loses to these:

Culture - Vastly advanced over EVE technology (great books if you haven't read them btw)
Dune - Galaxy spanning empire wins on sheer numbers
Startrek - Wins on tactical adaptability - Oh you're using lasers, modulate the shields to compensate. Maybe a few borg cubes would die but they'd adapt in minutes. And then there's Voyagers craziness including transphasic torpedoes....
Stargate - Replicators win - armour tanking not so great

But is more evenly matched against:

Bablyon 5 - Vorlons and Shadow's probably too advanced. Younger races probably lose. Although Lyta Alexander would make you commit suicide irl.
Battlestar Galactica - Vipers > Frigs due to being able to move laterally. No lasers but nukes would hurt.
Starwars - edging into fantasy here ;)