Warfare & Tactics

You cals have actually gals in cal/gal?
Lol.
Actually I have the feeling I am killing more gals than minnies around Sahtogas.
Main problem is cross plexing. Minnies farm simply everything, everywhere.
Let the gals help the minnies in Saht. More targets to shoot for us.
Gals+Minnies in Sahtogas----> Sahtogas is still at 0%...lol. Try harder frogs and slaves.

By the way: THX gals. You give us better fights here than the minnies.

Edit: Epta you need a new pos in Saht :D
Of course only if you don´t loose Oyo.... :D

Isn't this like, literally, the same idea I posted a few weeks ago? Isn't that also an idea I posted a year ago?

I'm confused. Why bring it up now? FW working as intended i.e. not at all.

FW is really fine as it is. Pendelum is swinging back and forth providing changes like the tide.

I find it amusing that once the Caldari have to deal with endless hordes of stabbed farmers, they complain. But when the Gallente have to deal hordes of stabbed farmers? HTFU.

The same in min/amarr.
No gals and no minnies here :(
They have given up siege of sahtogas. Lol.
Think the gals went maybe back to cal/gal space.

When the vp from cross plexing is not counted its hard to make that sort of statement. Susan Black and Hans both made this big mistake in their analysis. They based their view on what was broken (or not) on this misinformation. What we did see was that after the amarr hit tier 4 the recorded minmatar vp numbers spiked through the roof. Also the caldari hit tier 5 soon after.

This does indeed show that minmatar horde was keeping the caldari in check. But the vp numbers that the minmatar were hitting were most likely much higher than anything caldari could get to. Its just that the vp minmatar were getting wasn't recorded.


Edit: if we really wanted to know who was farming the most we should look at how much isk in items each store sold. I am sure you would then see that the minmatar farm had no peer. For some reason hans didn't push to get that data from ccp.

Straight line from Usi to Nisuwa, down to Heyd, then up and around to Eha and out into Ichoriya for the night. Go backwards the next night if I still have my ship. Most of my corp does this path nightly in small gangs or solo.

http://www.gamerchick.net/2012/08/a-perplexing-problem.html

Here is the blog I was refering too. In the comments you will see you are correct that caldari still edged out the minmatar when it came to recorded vp in the week after amarr cashed out at tier 4.





We both know that plexing was always a pve game. Lots of people claimed that "adding consequences will make it a pvp game." You and I both knew better and now we have the proof. Adding consequences to a pve game just adds consequences to pve.




Fair enough. You know my view is that the intel from players is clearly not sufficient to stop the rabbits. Therefore we need better intel tools. And yeah, you know I feel quite confident that better intel tools along with rollbacks is the answer to rabbit plexing.




I would not necessarilly say the system is balanced. IMO Gallente and minmatar have pretty much dominated ever since the October changes with amarr and caldari having some relatively short lived comebacks.

With cashouts it was completely balanced with the exception of amarr. The other three militias were all able to get full value for their plexing time. And the problems amarr faced could have been addressed easilly without giving us this whole new stagnant, unbalanced system. But I know this thread is not comparing the balance between the old cashout system and the current one. You are trying to decide whether ending diagnal plexing will make things more or less balanced.

Will it be more balanced without diagnal plexing? I really don't know. Many of the minmatar alts would switch over to gallente so they can continue to farm albeit at a lower tier. I would think gallente would try to hit tier 3 right away. Some minmatar might start just doing missions for minmatar. Some might leave fw altogether. But if caldari won everythign and minmatar wond everything there would be very little left for them to plex. I guess I really don't care whether the rabbits are balanced against eachother. The fact that 90% of sov is decided by rabbits made me give up on the whole thing.

However I do think diagnal plexing is a good thing. I think its good to keep the allied militias as nominal allies as it adds to the strategy. People might assign forces on the other side of new eden if they can gain and advantage. But to do that there can be risks. It makes it somewhat easier for the allied militias to combine forces to do larger joint operations. It is also nice to be able to do some plexing in a different war zone for a change of pace. I think its piling error on top of error to scrap diagonal plexing in order to try balance the rabbit plexing hordes.

So much time and effort from ccp has been wasted because they have not focused on the main goal: Make plexing a pvp game.

Who gets what lp, when, and how, for rabbit plexing is beside the point. Rabbit plexing needs to end. Then if Gallente or Caldari dominate they deserve it and those medals will be something to take pride in.

Did they change FW again?

I don't do it anymore so I'm out of the loop. Anyone got a link handy?

Going back to the "separate" thing, if you could separate blob warfare from actual fleet warfare, that would be awesome. I'd suggest also keeping non-FWers out of plexes (no, I don't care who complains about this suggestion) for helping get it all back to FW peeveepee'ing. Blobs help eliminate GFs from those that want it, and people with no business being in a plex pissing on FW territory ENCOURAGES farming (ie, running when someone comes a knockin')... If I see a non-FWer drop on a plex while I'm plexing, I just bail and go elsewhere. No skin off my nose. If it's an opposing FWer, I'll probably fight 'em if I think it's a fair fight (OGBs not withstanding). If it's not, why bother wasting my time?