Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yep, we use alt accounts. Most of us actually have to use two entirely separate alt chains in fact (CCP loves the bux from that). Our "ganker" side, with the gank toon, the funding source for the toon (A gank toon can't make they own cash too well), and assorted other supports. We then have our totally unconnected in any way "other" accounts that we use for whatever not-ganking fun we wish to engage in. The API tells all, and if my main account sends even 1 ISK over to this toon, it's forever "contaminated".

I think there is a problem that characters, even at -10, can repeat the same activity that got them there with almost complete impunity as, by the time you can get them locked to take any action against them, they've already hit their target, which has been pre-scouted by their alts.

Emergent yes, but also a bit of a pisstake that the NPCs are still so incredibly dumb. There are no negative penalties attached to this method of ganking.

Why not buy a small expensive module and run it out in a covops to a quiet planet somewhere and exchange it with your gank toon in space, then the gank toon sells it as if they got it ratting. There's also the trade window but I'm not sure if that gets recorded or not so err on the side of caution.

Only with an Alpha gank. As always, Alpha is Expensive. (And can still be disrupted, especially if, as you claim, they're being done with -10 characters.)

DPS ganks can be easily disrupted by ECM, RR, killing the DPS boats, etc. Also, you can lock them (and if they're -10, shoot them) long before they start the gank.

Ohh, punishment, lets see. Punishments for going -5.0, ganking. I shall list them now. Unless otherwise noted, these are character only.

loss of ship on attack (no insurance).
loss of ability to mine
loss of the ability to missionrun
loss ability to run a POS
loss ability to run incursions
loss of ability to do exploration
loss of ability to fly any ship larger than a destroyer
loss of ability to trade
loss of earnings ability on toon
Loss of entire account usefulness for anything aside from ganking (API checks)
Loss of ability for any account funding the gank account, to join most alliances (API checks on wallet transactions)

So, basically, the ONLY thing a gank account can do, is gank. Any account funding a gank toon is blackmarked. The very act of engaging in highsec piracy has lasting repercussions unless you have absolutely no contact between gank accounts and other accounts. For some reason, you never see gank groups begging for CCP to change API system so we can hide funding alts, or ability to erase corp history. Haven't seen any of us asking that killmails have an option of hiding aggressor names. We adapt and survive.

Even with all that, highsec piracy "isn't punished enough". It's "too easy".

Seriously, just admit it....some of you folks want highsec to be the PVE zone, low to be the "small-gang PVP" arena, and null to be the "Fleet PVP" area.


As an addendum, yes, I do know how to fund a ganking account without it showing on wallet transactions. No, it doesn't involve buying plex.

Uggh people and their never ending ability trying to justify a broken game mechanic or flaw just because it can be done. People that exploit this in game do so on alts preciously because of the fall out they would receive from the community.

This should be changed so you may adapt and survive some more.

What exploit? What broken game mechanic?

Oh no - that may be the end of the New Order ganking division! There's only one thing I can think of that might save us, and that's the fact that it would take a teensy bit of effort to pull off.