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I Hesitate to Post Star Trek: Into Darkness Reviews.....(But Now I Have)

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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#21 - 2013-05-03 18:13:49 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Maybe Eve is the wrong game for me then?


you know...i think this at least 3 times every session i log into. it still amazes me i got attached to this game. i don't really care for sci-fi. at least traditional sci-fi like star trek and star wars. simply hasn't ever appealed to me.

i suppose maybe it's just that i like the idea of living and making money or building a life somewhere beyond the confines of our little planet. there's a romance to it in some form. a sense of adventure. i guess that's why i subbed after the trial.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#22 - 2013-05-03 18:16:52 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
If the trekies hate it this much then it must be an alright film.

Star Trek Into Darkness

"It's alright"
-baltec 1

That isn't exactly high praise.


When you go to see it think of ghost rider 2 and Eragon. You will enjoy star trek a lot more.


Damnit, why did you have to bring up Eragon? They murdered that poor book. Not just did a poor rendition of it, they drug it out in the woods, went full Deliverance on it, then shot it in the head...and went deliverance on the headwound as well. After watchiing the movie, I went drinking in order to erase the memory so that I could enjoy the rest of the series as it was published. Unfortunately I still have traumatic flashbacks of the movie coupled with the voice of a redneck telling it to squeal like a pig.

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Ebony Texas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-05-03 19:19:54 UTC
This movie sucks!.. yeah i said it, yeah ive already watched it on bootleg at that.. i knew jj abrams was going to sink it.. and you know what.. it made me miss the next generation even more!..
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-05-04 06:59:38 UTC
Ebony Texas wrote:
This movie sucks!.. yeah i said it, yeah ive already watched it on bootleg at that.. i knew jj abrams was going to sink it.. and you know what.. it made me miss the next generation even more!..

What's wrong with it? Just saying the movie sucks is useless info for anyone who doesn't have intimate knowledge on your taste in movies.
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#25 - 2013-05-04 15:27:41 UTC
I was tempted to write ... "WELCOME TO MODERN HOLLYWOOD" ... then It came to me, a sudden realization.

"Welcome to Being Old"

Yes, as you grow older, this will begin to happen more and more, specially these days, where even though Hollywood is to blame, you cna also blame the growing sense of perception BEING OLD gives you. It only grows worse as you age btw, until the moment when you are just too old and begin to forget ... some ....

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Vran DalEsra
Vran DalEsra Corporation
#26 - 2013-05-05 17:12:42 UTC
SPOILERS ahead.. you have been warned!







The fact that Jar Jar Abrams has to dig up Khan for a villain is pathetic. That Kirk and Spock are switched and separated by what I assume is transparent aluminum and Kirk briefly dies, only to be revived by Khan's blood is even more pathetic.

It's like they took the worst fan fiction script and got a $100 million check to do something with it in the vain hope the turd would stick to the wall.

Sadly it will.

RIP Star Trek
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#27 - 2013-05-05 17:55:28 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
...and went deliverance on the headwound as well.



What is visualized cannot be un-visualized.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#28 - 2013-05-05 17:58:05 UTC
Vran DalEsra wrote:
SPOILERS ahead.. you have been warned!







The fact that Jar Jar Abrams has to dig up Khan for a villain is pathetic.



For real. I was more intrigued by speculation that the villain was really Gary Mitchell.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#29 - 2013-05-11 00:48:51 UTC
Well I'm a casual Trek watcher and I was piacking out plot holes and cradcked the plot quickly.

They pursue Khan through San Fransisco because only his blood can save Kirk. Couldn't they use one of the 72 other Super Soldiers as a donor?

When the Enterprise is crashing into Earth... Isn't there an entire fleet of ships over the Capital of the Federation? Why do none of them throw a tractor beam at the crashing ship, or at least beam the entire crew off?

So many plot holes Straight

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#30 - 2013-05-11 11:42:17 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Commissar Akiga wrote:
I'll be watching it regardless.


Same here, I've never missed a Star Trek film, no matter how dire.

You're only encouraging them to make more crappy films.

We need a hiatus - about twenty years - before the next 'Trek flic.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#31 - 2013-05-11 12:13:59 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Maybe Eve is the wrong game for me then?


i don't really care for sci-fi. at least traditional sci-fi like star trek and star wars. simply hasn't ever appealed to me.




Well, Star Trek is actually more of just a western set in space and Star Wars is not science fiction in the least bit, so maybe that has something to do with it.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2013-05-11 12:42:19 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Commissar Akiga wrote:
I'll be watching it regardless.


Same here, I've never missed a Star Trek film, no matter how dire.

You're only encouraging them to make more crappy films.

We need a hiatus - about twenty years - before the next 'Trek flic.


But the new trek is good.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-05-11 13:00:14 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Commissar Akiga wrote:
I'll be watching it regardless.


Same here, I've never missed a Star Trek film, no matter how dire.

You're only encouraging them to make more crappy films.

We need a hiatus - about twenty years - before the next 'Trek flic.


But the new trek is good.

The new incarnation of trek is ok. It's adventurous and fun, but also stupid. It's certainly better then what the few previous star trek movies were, but that isn't saying much.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#34 - 2013-05-11 13:11:36 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:

The new incarnation of trek is ok. It's adventurous and fun, but also stupid. It's certainly better then what the few previous star trek movies were, but that isn't saying much.



I remember going to a Star Trek Pub Quiz event and they actually had trouble getting rid of first prize: tickets to Star Trek: Nemesis. Nobody was enthused, really.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#35 - 2013-05-11 15:10:38 UTC
Brujo Loco wrote:
I was tempted to write ... "WELCOME TO MODERN HOLLYWOOD" ... then It came to me, a sudden realization : "Welcome to Being Old" . Yes, as you grow older, this will begin to happen more and more, specially these days, where even though Hollywood is to blame, you cna also blame the growing sense of perception BEING OLD gives you. It only grows worse as you age btw, until the moment when you are just too old and begin to forget ... some ....

Of course, you can grow old enough (trope-digestion-wise) that you start enjoying all that stuff you would have enjoyed as a young person again, but in a different way this time. Go-go-go, commit most of tvtropes to memory, STAT ! Twisted
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#36 - 2013-05-11 16:51:27 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Brujo Loco wrote:
I was tempted to write ... "WELCOME TO MODERN HOLLYWOOD" ... then It came to me, a sudden realization : "Welcome to Being Old" . Yes, as you grow older, this will begin to happen more and more, specially these days, where even though Hollywood is to blame, you cna also blame the growing sense of perception BEING OLD gives you. It only grows worse as you age btw, until the moment when you are just too old and begin to forget ... some ....

Of course, you can grow old enough (trope-digestion-wise) that you start enjoying all that stuff you would have enjoyed as a young person again, but in a different way this time. Go-go-go, commit most of tvtropes to memory, STAT ! Twisted



Seriously, last year I really got into "Rawhide" like what, 50 years after the fact ? On the other hand,, watching "Lost in Space" is actually a fairly painful experience now.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#37 - 2013-05-11 18:52:06 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Maybe Eve is the wrong game for me then?


i don't really care for sci-fi. at least traditional sci-fi like star trek and star wars. simply hasn't ever appealed to me.

Star Wars is not science fiction in the least bit, so maybe that has something to do with it.


you know, thats not the first time i've heard that. i guess i don't understand. i'm in no way a star wars expert beyond knowing the bad guys look like the german SS and use red lightsabers and the good guys like robes and bright colors.

but from what i do know about it it seems pretty sci-fi to me lol. fleets of ships and explosions. different worlds and aliens. strange techy jargon and lightspeed. i've heard it called space fantasy. but is not fantasy inherently fiction?
fairimear
Event Hor1zon
#38 - 2013-05-11 19:48:05 UTC
Must be the only person who loved this film i guess.
I watched every episode of trek in my younger days.

Any way Spoilers ahead.

So i will say a few things: If this movie was not star trek and did not have the names attached to it then people would be looking at this entirely differently. If you can use your imagination for 10min and pretend this film was set in the universe of a unkown sci-fi.
The characters are in general fantastic. considering how many key characters the film has to manage it gives them all with the exception of 2 or 3 meaning full screen time. There are really 4/5 characters who get high levels of screen time instead of following 1 guy all the time.

The early terrorism plot works fantastically and plays directly into the mid section reveal, It establishes the villain but without giving him or his motives away. The sub plot between the captain and the admiral works fantastically as a moral grounding for the captain. Giving him a emotional core that had been missing. The use of a father figure in the admiral provides excellent motivation for the film to move forward.

In general there is a fantastic coming of age feel to the film. Where the first gave the captain his ship it never really said he knew what to do with it. He never earned it. And this is where this film is strong.

Moving into the mid film the reveal kind of works on an assumption of prior knowledge and that's my only real issue with the film.
That being said the character of the villain from the reveal on steals the show. As soon as he is revealed know the history of the character or not the film does a fantastic job. Surpassing the original characters in every aspect.
As the captain is clearly starting to understand what his crew means to him the villain exploits this to great effect from a plot point but the film exploits it to. At the same time the captain buys into him you do to. You have established from the start the captains growing relationship to his crew. And to suddenly have the same relationship as the villains motives really works.

from this point on the film grows fantastically as you start to like the villain. Strong scenes and dialogue keep you interested until the plot moves forward again. The ominous warning from the past reminds you and kind of braces you in time to the shift in dynamic for the villain. A scene that has spine shivering stuff to it. You are hit very hard and fast from kind of liking the villain to remembering/realizing who he is at his core. A few choice references help. But nothing really says he's the bad guy like having him crush a mans head with his bare hands as that mans daughter watches shortly after he has curb stomped her leg into about 3 pieces.
This sold the character for me. he had gone from manipulator, to victim, to friend and finally takes his place as the main adversary.

This was the high point of the film for me.

The final was a little underwhelming but this is due to the number of characters that had to be wrapped up as well as plot lines. It felt a little like all the good guy cast/crew of the ship are kind of one character with different sub sections And the wrong person had been put in each place. The Villains final action to crash a starship into a city of people and make about 40 skyscrapers into dust seemed a little trivial. Hundreds of thousands probably died and there is little emotional impact or follow up.

Now for the star trek sides of things:
Yes its set it trek. Yes it revisits Khan. Yes it has it's flaws.
But here are a few things to remember. Star trek was DEAD!!!! doomed to reruns on increasingly poor channels. And with good reason.
Secondly the fan service in these new ones is nothing short of legendary. subtle plot line, giant cracked moons around Klingon home worlds (did you notice that even?) ect ect.
Now for the people who are moaning about the villain. Firstly Yes In space seed Khan had black hair and was a lot younger.
(Clearly you forget that wrath of khan was not his first appearance).
Secondly cumberbatch's Khan is by far the most coherent and well rounded of all 3 versions of him.
Thirdly. This is technically a direct sequel to wrath of khan if anything. It is not a remake. It is not asking you to forget the first two times you met him. At most it asks you to forgive the fact he's now not Indian.
There IS references to why he appears when he does in the new trek. IT is clearly established that star-fleet has expanded faster and differently than in the original time line in response to nero's actions in the previous film.
Granted a scene that actually said "we speed up our expansion and exploration in response to the loss of vulcan. And that's when we found Khans ship" may have helped a little.


So yea in short. From a non-trek point of view. Best film I've seen this year. Far better characters than iron man. far less huge plot holes than iron man. Best villain acting since Django. Best visuals and sound for ages. In general a great film. I only wish it had not been star trek in some ways just because the Trekkie don't deserve it. If star wars is half as good it will be better than the last 3.

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#39 - 2013-05-11 20:00:03 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Maybe Eve is the wrong game for me then?


i don't really care for sci-fi. at least traditional sci-fi like star trek and star wars. simply hasn't ever appealed to me.

Star Wars is not science fiction in the least bit, so maybe that has something to do with it.


you know, thats not the first time i've heard that. i guess i don't understand. i'm in no way a star wars expert beyond knowing the bad guys look like the german SS and use red lightsabers and the good guys like robes and bright colors.

but from what i do know about it it seems pretty sci-fi to me lol. fleets of ships and explosions. different worlds and aliens. strange techy jargon and lightspeed. i've heard it called space fantasy. but is not fantasy inherently fiction?



Science Fiction requires explicitly laid out rules concerning it's technology and worlds, which Star Wars does not have at all. It's free for all, with no explanations needed like in Fantasy.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-05-11 20:13:50 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
i don't really care for sci-fi. at least traditional sci-fi like star trek and star wars. simply hasn't ever appealed to me.
Traditional sci-fi is Isaac Asimov. Generic modern sci-fi is Babylon 5. Star Trek is an idealized utopian adventure, and Star Wars is a deep spiritual-political fantasy set in a lush and extremely expansive adventure.

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