EVE General Discussion

Exactly. A month after launch the biggest rats were in cruisers and my agent was asking me to fill my state of the art MOA with literal **** and haul it. When most MMO's would have died EVE has grown, EVE has come a long way since launch.

I won't go so far as to say EVE is a good game, but it's the only game of its kind on the market. The moment EVE starts to be like other games is the day EVE will truly die.

Eeeeh, yes and no. Mostly no. And the part that is a yes, it so by design.

EVE, by design, discourages "fair" play, in the same way as many/most other MMOs encourage it.

What I mean is, you are far more likely to see a 20v1 fight in EVE than you are in most other MMOs. And this does turn people off. Compared to other MMOs that force a 2v2 or 10v10 or 40v40 and limit things by equipment levels. Some games are DESIGNED to be a fair, balanced test of skill. EVE is designed to let people do what they want, and basic human nature takes over.

So are players to blame? Sure. But if you took any other game's player base and took away the rules preventing them from acting like hairless apes, they'd start behaving in exactly the same way as they do in EVE. And that's why those other games likely have player bases measuring in the millions, while EVE barely clawed its way up to 500k after 10 years, and most of those are probably alt accounts anyway.

Bottom line - to each their own. Some people like to have someone put on stiletto heels and stomp on their nether regions. Just because it's not for you, doesn't mean it's not for them.



It's all relative. EVE, right now, has a population that is about 1/20th of what Blizzard has in WoW. To put it into perspective, it is more than likely that if EVE lives for another 10 years, CCP will have made about as much money from EVE as Blizzard made from WoW in 1 year. And WoW is 9 years old. As such, EVE "growing" from 50k to 500k is nice, but hardly something to shout from the rooftops. Especially when you consider how much competition EVE has had (which is to say, none) and how much competition WoW faced in fantasy genre over the years.

I'm not trying to belittle EVE's accomplishments. Far from it. But let's be realistic. CCP says the game has 500k subs? And that means growth? Well, compared to 450k, sure, it's growth. But let me ask you this - what are the odds this 50k difference can simply be attributed to alt accounts? Let me give you a very simple example - do YOU have one account or more? I bet it's more than one. If true, did the number of accounts you currently have increase in the last 2 years? If yes, that's partially the reason for EVE's "growth". And white technically it did grown, this is a very bad kind of growth.

Why is it bad? Simple. In another MMO, where players-to-accounts ratio is 1:1. when a player leaves, for whatever reason (work, family, money problems, illness, death), what happens? The game loses one account. But in EVE, when one player quits, and he's running 10 accounts, the game loses 10 accounts to one person. Makes the population very unstable. Which is what we saw with Incarna. It wasn't a lot of people quitting, it was a few players cancelling all of their accounts.

Bottom line - EVE is a success, but it's all relative. There's a whole lot more MMOs that are more successful than EVE, despite EVE having infinitely more uniqueness and potential to it.

Dropped some ISK on a noob the other day because I didn't need it.

It's a cold hard world and Eve is a cold hard game.

There's always someone wanting to blow up your mining barge with a battleship. Not because it'll make them money, but simply because they can.


That's the fun of it though.


What makes eve so bloody awful is exactly what makes it so fun. The sense that if someone really wants to screw you over there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. It makes anything you can accomplish grimly satisfying.

I have a message for you from CCP: HTFU

What i don't get is why people always harp on "more subs". What will more people do?

Are the ship buidlers running out of people to buy ships? Are buy orders going forever unfilled , are sell orders just sitting and waiting forever in Jita. Are their no kills going on anywhere? No missions or Incursions of Plexes being run?

What, EXACTLY do you think you'll get from more people subscribing to EVE online. And yea, it's a pretty rhetorical question because most sensible people know that you really won't get all the things you think you will if more people sub or more new players stay instead of quit. But I wouldn't mind actually hearing the "reasons".

A game that has survived 10 years, if fairly exclusive and is still slowly growing seems great to me. What problem is so big only 9 million more subscribers can fix it?

"Boo hoo I don't like the fact that I might lose something I need more people to agree with me"

People say "They weren't meant for EVE" or "They aren't EVE material" as if it was a good thing. But do we really want to scare away the new and exciting and keep the old and bitter? Sure, EVE is something that appeals to a certain type, but for now it seems the vast majority are the types that take pride in the pain of others. Pride yourself as much as you want on that, but in the end, it's doing nothing but dragging everything down with you.

I've been here for about a year and a half, but I'd like to think that all my time of avoiding piracy and trying to go about things in a peaceful manner goes to show we can be better than what the majority has shown us to be.

Seriously, how is this thread not already locked, for the OPs troll post? It's a pretty obvious shiptoast attempt to rustle jimmies, all the while being completely ignorant of the fact that all the 'terrible bad things that go on', are actually a major draw of players to the game for the last, oh, 10 years?

It's no wonder the OP posted with an alt, a longstanding tradition of small children who are afraid of any consequences to their stupidity.

Post with your main or GTFO.

The point of the post was not to "troll", but to state a opinion and gather comments on the matter. Though no real question was stated in the First post, it has garnered some interesting (Mostly not) replies. Some are thought provoking, while others are expected from this particular community.