Intergalactic Summit

Understood. My mistake. Apologies.

Might want to ask yourself why we did these things.

Comes back to my earlier post, I think... we do them because you made us into a people who do them.

I know. But it doesn't make you better to be like that. You no longer can claim the moral highground, nor the purity of intend. You're knee deep in the ****, with the rest of us. Your purity long destroyed. By us? Yes, probably, but destroyed by your current actions and choices just as well. You could have forgiven, you could have forgotten, you could have walked another path... you chose this one. You are as guilty as all the rest now.



That choice is not ours, but that of our superiors. The Empress decides not to go with the Reclaiming, we won't go. She decides to, we will fight with all that we have.

The choice, thus, is to be loyal to the Empire or not. And my decision on the matter was taken long ago, when I first risked my life for it without a pod. Now I just have to play with the cards in my hand.

Indeed, it is. It was the argument since the beggining, when the first Minmatarr loyalist started to use the classical lines "no Reclaiming, we were good, you enslaved us but we do nothing wrong". Just proving them wrong.



When have I mentioned God? I mentioned the Empress and the Empire, not God, I'm not in a position to speak in God's name.



I could say the same about freedom fighters. You could check the IGS for years and you'll see this circular argument has been repeated over and over again each few months, with little changes on either side. So, why is it our fault alone?

Actually, that's the thing with your people, captain Starfire: they always place the blame on others, never accept their share of it.

Hahahahaha. Deus Vult, my lady, deus vult. [Insert wink]

"God wills it", it's a common battle cry during Reclaimings. Just being ironic.

Maybe you're right - maybe the Minmatar no longer care about doing the right thing or holding the moral highground. Maybe they believe that the ends justify the means. I can't say for sure; as much empathy as I feel with them, I an not a Minmatar and thus I can't know how they truly feel, or if there is truly a unity of purpose among the Tribes or not. But what if you're right? What if it doesn't matter to the Minmatar whether or not what they're doing is right, as long as it's effective?

By the time it gets that bad, all the moral remonstrance in the world isn't going to stop them.

If the Minmatar as a society truly had no moral constraints there would be a lot more weeping Amarrian mothers.


There's are always choices. Just because one deceives oneself into believing that there aren't, doesn't make them disappear, and it doesn't aleviate the responsibility of making the wrong one.

There is nothing wrong with wanting a moral system for everyone that prevents social decay.

Indeed. Whether you're the Amarrian Empire or the Gallente Federation.

Yes Sepherim, you're right. We, like the Jove, are guilty of allowing our space to be invaded by your ancestors. We were wrong not to have more advanced weapons of mass destruction so that we could have utterly destroyed your expeditionary forces. We were incorrect in being rounded up by the millions and transported back to your worlds to be enslaved. It was a mistake to have fought against your occupation for over 700 years so that when the time was right we could finally rise up and throw you out of our space.

Do you truly not understand how wrong it is to blame the us, the victims, for the crimes of your people?

I don't claim that we have never done wrong. What I do claim is that what things we've done, and that you find so repugnant, are the result of your ancestors' original deeds. We've merely done what was necessary in order to survive or, to insure the survival of our distant kin.

I'm now done attempting to explain or justify anything to the likes of you imperials. I'll not be judged by your bankrupt morality. I'll not try to understand your sham religion or, your corrupt culture. You can't be reasoned with or accommodated. So long as your people hold to the notion that you are superior and divinely ordained to rule over all of humanity, you pose a grave danger to us all. You are more dangerous than Nation, the heretical terrorist groups you've spawned and all the criminal enterprises. You must be stopped by any means necessary.

I used to feel that in order for us (meaning Minmatar, Federals and Caldari) to "win" didn't require you to "lose". I used to feel that given enough time, communication and contact that we could reach an understanding and live together peacefully. Based on what I've witnessed of late, however, I no longer feel this is possible. Your empire, as it currently exists, cannot continue to stand.

The time for talk has passed. I therefore say, "Cry havoc! and let slip the dogs of war".