Intergalactic Summit

No. Why would they do that?


But the simple fact is that Maleeatu Shakor has been acknowledged both by democratic election and by the Tribal Council as the head of state, meaning that whichever path to power was "proper," he followed it. The simple fact here is that you Amarrians won't acknowledge him as a legitimate head of state because he refuses to be cowed by Amarrian self-importance and consistently acts against your interests.

Maybe you should take the advice of your good friend Andreus Ixiris:

You.. ...want peace, in which case you should be looking to make whatever concessions are neccessary for it to happen

I've heard this argument before.

To be fair to Rella, an interesting risk.

However this point of view fails to take into account the staggering amount of new resources that would be gained by conquering the Republic.

Hundreds of planets worth of raw materials, billions of new subjects.

More than enough assets to replenish lost manpower and material, and make possible replenishing war assets for possible counter-attacks by the Federation or State.

In my scenario the State and Federation would take entirely too long to cooperate against the Empire (so much bickering!), by which point defenses are shorn up, and all of the new Matari territory and subjugated populace is put to task for feeding the Imperial war machine.

This sort of scenario relies heavily on speed and surprise to work. The slow and ponderous Imperial Navy of old would take too long, and the other Empires would likely get their acts together before the Matari were conquered.

The assault would more resemble Heth's assault on Caldari Prime or the Elder Invasion, albiet with 10x the number of ships.

An interesting challenge.

If you illegally capture citizens of another state, it's called kidnap. It doesn't matter what rank or position they hold. Those slaves were amarrian citizens, plain and simple, and the Minmatarr Republic's Fleet kidnapped them on a massive scale. So, if they're claiming they had "nothing to do" with it, they should return them, instead of housing them and keeping them... makes their points quite hard to believe.



Again, it's a question of semantics, which you keep trying to spin beyond it's scale. To the Minmatarr, he is a propper leader. To us, he can be called a tyrant. Point is you can't claim to be right one-sidedly because neither of the two hold the common values to dictate which understanding of his deeds is correct. He can be both legitimate and appropriate (in the Republic) and a tyrant (in the Empire).

As for our interests, I acknowledge the Ray of Matar as a leader of her people, just as I recognize the heads of corporations as the heads of the Caldari State. and I wish all of them the best. Unfortunately, those that came after them are quite more... debatable.



No, you already did it when you invaded the Empire.



Actually, there is no military power in the cluster capable of stopping the might of the Empire should we decide the Navy should wield it. Only the Jove have been able, up to this day, to defeat the Imperial Navy, and I doubt they'd come to your aid selflessly again. You would do well to remember that your Republic exists because the Jove were there to stop us, not thanks to your "mighty deeds in batte". So any attempt of conquest of the Republic with the full force of the Empire would probably just end as it once did: with you as your slaves.

You should remember this when you speak about Emperor Heideran or Empress Jamyl I, which have been working towards a peaceful solution of the conflict. Not because we can't win through war, but because there may be other paths. And remember that in the Empire there are many claiming to bring back the Reclaiming, not only Heir Merimeth Sarum, who's victory would bring the downfall of the Republic. I believe there are other paths, maybe wiser ones, peaceful ones, and so seems to think the Empress as well... but you would do well to remember that you only exist because she rules that other paths be sought. You would do well to remember that she is not your enemy, but working towards a better relationship with your people, and freeing our slaves. And it has been the Matari which, once and once again, have made it more and more difficult, not the least by invading the Empire.

And take Commander Blake's words as a good example of it. We may be willing to compromise and seek a solution, you are not.

Captain Catillah, as much as I respect you :



I don't even know where to start.

The Minmatar aren't the ones who should be making the concessions because they aren't the ones who need to make the concessions.

And, you know, all things considered, the Minmatar seem pretty alright with war. I get the impression that it isn't their optimal solution to this issue, but the thought of war with the Amarr certainly doesn't seem to upset the Minmatar anywhere near as much as the Amarr claim the thought of war with the Minmatar upsets them.

If the Amarr want peace as much as they claim the ball's in their court - although it'd be just about the only one.

Oh dear. It wasn't my intention at all to upset you, I apologize fully. You should not take anything I say as more than opinion, in any case, and a poorly calibrated opinion at that. I apologize and will disturb you no more.

Cool and Soft, meet Orange Polka Dot .
Orange Polka Dot, meet Cool and Soft.

This whole thread illustrates our (as in "we, the humanity") problem probably as good as many other similar threads on IGS.

There is a twenty-thousand-year wide cultural and historical gap between us. We just can't hear and understand each other, because of the memeplexes and... (whatever else Scherezad said, but after reading that I must admit I like this person. Must re-read 2x more to fully understand.)

We may share the same genes - the genes of our firstborn ancestors that (whatever stuff you believe in) came to be in New Eden. But our minds are aeons and light years apart.

We are aliens to each other.

Sometimes, and more often than not, that means hostile aliens.

I am sorry.

And in the end they'd still have to hold onto all the new territory and subdue all the potential manpower. I doubt they'd be able to do so while fighting an asymmetric guerilla war on foreign soil with long supply lines vulnerable to attack and/or interdiction.

While the imperials would likely win the initial battles, in the longer term, they'd lose the war. Again.

What indeed. How much military and economic aid has the Federation bleed into the failed Republic, how many Minmatar have found sanctuary?

Reality is what we make it my dear. A crime occurs within the Federation and the Tribals paint their faces, beat their drums while making demands and threats. Perception is the mother of opinion and opinion often becomes policy.

I serve one master and my actions further his will.