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Can someone be mentally handicapped and not notice it or be noticed for it?
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Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-05-03 09:23:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmy Zeta
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:

I fear psychotherapy because I have been raised to believe that it is centered around trying to force-normalize people who aren't normal and aren't comfortable with normal--that it ignores their problems and teaches them to pretend they are normal so that the people around them are more comfortable. And I think to some degree that is true--it is definitely a way that people tend to react to other people's differences. It is ethnocentric but it is natural for us humans. The history of psychotherapy is riddled with heart-wrenching tales of abnormal people being forced into horrifically uncomfortable conformative lifestyles, often resulting in these people killing themselves or others. I know that the disciplines within psychotherapy have advanced a lot since then, and people are much more aware now of that ethnocentrism which was clouding their judgement so strongly--but I don't know how much better it is. I am both very trusting that there is a psychiatrist somewhere who can help or understand me, and terrified to get psychiatric help because of the aforementioned. And the worst part about it is that it's expensive, and I don't get to try it first and pay later. I might blow a year's savings on one therapy session only to turn around and leave the office before I get myself in prison for showing the therapist what I think of his little horror business.


I think you are grossly overestimating the power of psychotherapy. Talking to a therapist for 30 minutes every two weeks will not turn you into a brainless conformist zombie. And it will not change your personality at all.
The therapist will ask you where your current problems are and you both will agree on well defined goals and then work together towards those goals.
Therapists are instructors, they can help you show the way, but you will have to go it on your own, and if you refuse that, nothing will change.
From what I have understood so far the two clearly defined problems of yours are that you'd like to have a job again as well as more social contacts. So that would be for example a good, clearly defined and tangible goal for the the therapy.
The good thing about behaviour therapy is that it can only go as far as you wish it to go, without your cooperation nothing will happen, so you stay in control all of the time.
Bad thing is that psychotherapy is expensive, and many doctors like to prescribe cheap pills instead.
Although antidepressants clearly have their use in medicine, in my experience they are prescribed far too often. 40 mg of Fluoxetine per day would help if you were suffering from a major depression- but since you aren't, in your case it would most likely just give you diarrhea, headaches and impotence without solving any of your aforementioned problems.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#42 - 2013-05-03 22:04:39 UTC
As a pricing benchmark, my clinical Social Worker sessions were US$100/half hour. Local prices will vary.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-05-04 02:41:53 UTC
If I could afford that, I wouldn't have a problem.

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#44 - 2013-05-04 06:47:19 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
As a pricing benchmark, my clinical Social Worker sessions were US$100/half hour. Local prices will vary.


Are you kidding? 100 bloody $ for a bloody 30 minutes? Shocked

Now i understand why so many American need a therapy and never get it... Straight
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-05-04 07:45:03 UTC
Some of my friends consider talking to me more therapeutic than talking to a therapist, and I don't charge for my services. P

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Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-05-04 10:02:41 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
As a pricing benchmark, my clinical Social Worker sessions were US$100/half hour. Local prices will vary.


Are you kidding? 100 bloody $ for a bloody 30 minutes? Shocked

Now i understand why so many American need a therapy and never get it... Straight


On the other hand, psychotropic drugs are cheaper in the US than anywhere else in the world.
Overly concerned parents force-feed their perfectly normal and healthy children Prozac and Ritalin like cereals, hoping to further increase their intelligence, concentration and overall happiness.
Competition begins already at school age, and if you don't feed your kid Prozac, he will later lose his job to someone whose parents were nice enough to turn him into a Serotonin-zombie since the age of 2.

The pharmaceutical industry calls this abomination "neuro-enhancement"- prescribing drugs to perfectly healthy people to further improve their everyday performance. Needless to say, there are billions to be made in this business.

Almost an entire generation set on psychotropic drugs....now what could possibly go wrong with that?

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#47 - 2013-05-04 12:56:29 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
As a pricing benchmark, my clinical Social Worker sessions were US$100/half hour. Local prices will vary.


Are you kidding? 100 bloody $ for a bloody 30 minutes? Shocked

Now i understand why so many American need a therapy and never get it... Straight


On the other hand, psychotropic drugs are cheaper in the US than anywhere else in the world.
Overly concerned parents force-feed their perfectly normal and healthy children Prozac and Ritalin like cereals, hoping to further increase their intelligence, concentration and overall happiness.
Competition begins already at school age, and if you don't feed your kid Prozac, he will later lose his job to someone whose parents were nice enough to turn him into a Serotonin-zombie since the age of 2.

The pharmaceutical industry calls this abomination "neuro-enhancement"- prescribing drugs to perfectly healthy people to further improve their everyday performance. Needless to say, there are billions to be made in this business.

Almost an entire generation set on psychotropic drugs....now what could possibly go wrong with that?


Heh, and i refused to take Prozac when it was offered as a backup for my BT. Although I somehow miss that my serotonin behaved itself a little more (bad days are... bad), I think that living with it is better than depend upon a drug whose secondary effects are quite unpleasant and which, iMHO, is the wrong solution to the chemical puzzle of serotonin. I don't bloody need to prevent its capture to keep levels higher, I need to stabilyze its production.

(But then, eating some chocolate each now and then haves a good placebo effect on my mood, and by all means, eating an ounce of chocolate each few weeks is better than taking Prozac for the bloody rest of my life).
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#48 - 2013-05-04 13:20:35 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:

Heh, and i refused to take Prozac when it was offered as a backup for my BT. Although I somehow miss that my serotonin behaved itself a little more (bad days are... bad), I think that living with it is better than depend upon a drug whose secondary effects are quite unpleasant and which, iMHO, is the wrong solution to the chemical puzzle of serotonin. I don't bloody need to prevent its capture to keep levels higher, I need to stabilyze its production.

(But then, eating some chocolate each now and then haves a good placebo effect on my mood, and by all means, eating an ounce of chocolate each few weeks is better than taking Prozac for the bloody rest of my life).


Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against those drugs and I know for sure that they can be a blessing for people who are suffering from severe diseases.

But I have massive problems with parents forcing their healthy kids to swallow them, because they expect it will improve their grades in school. In my opinion this is both drug- and child-abuse, and the fact that it has become socially acceptable in certain societies is simply abhorrent.
/rant

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#49 - 2013-05-04 13:29:00 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:

Heh, and i refused to take Prozac when it was offered as a backup for my BT. Although I somehow miss that my serotonin behaved itself a little more (bad days are... bad), I think that living with it is better than depend upon a drug whose secondary effects are quite unpleasant and which, iMHO, is the wrong solution to the chemical puzzle of serotonin. I don't bloody need to prevent its capture to keep levels higher, I need to stabilyze its production.

(But then, eating some chocolate each now and then haves a good placebo effect on my mood, and by all means, eating an ounce of chocolate each few weeks is better than taking Prozac for the bloody rest of my life).


Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against those drugs and I know for sure that they can be a blessing for people who are suffering from severe diseases.

But I have massive problems with parents forcing their healthy kids to swallow them, because they expect it will improve their grades in school. In my opinion this is both drug- and child-abuse, and the fact that it has become socially acceptable in certain societies is simply abhorrent.
/rant


I am mostly anti-drugs, unless they provide a serious positive effect. Some people need drugs to function or live, but also drug manufacturers have been bloody "ingenuous" in finding ways to sell more pills.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2013-05-04 14:30:21 UTC
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Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#51 - 2013-05-04 14:35:06 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
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That's pretty low for a thread like this.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2013-05-04 17:38:12 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
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That's pretty low for a thread like this.
I liked it. That's how I imagine people who take too many pills, or at least how I'm going to be imagining them from now on. I'll let that fuel the rage I feel toward their idiot parents who, rather than actually spend time with and lend an ear to their children, would let pills babysit them and would leave them unattended under the watchful eye of greedy megacorporations.

Often times the differences I see between myself and others are things I feel proud of myself for, and demoralized that if I had a choice, it would be between being in a bad situation or being ostracized for not being in a bad situation.

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Tukee
Emperor Scythes
The Initiative.
#53 - 2013-05-04 20:02:31 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2013-05-04 20:23:37 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
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That's pretty low for a thread like this.


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Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#55 - 2013-05-04 22:04:56 UTC
I'm not legally 'disabled' but I have ADHD. I've learned alternate ways of dealing with my poor attention span, to the point where I sometimes have to remind myself that I may not be able to finish the project I've been planning.

For example, my short attention span and constantly-shifting focus sometimes causes me to put something down and forget where it is thirty seconds later. To compensate, I've learned to tell myself (quietly) where I'm placing the object so that it properly 'registers' in my mind.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-05-04 22:19:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
I'm convinced that your typical case of "ADHD" is the norm, especially for men, and that we live in a society that values the ever more common disorder of attention overload. This disorder causes people to become mindless drones of society and hard workers who can tune out what they're doing because they're not thinking about it but just doing whatever they're told, which gives them greater work stamina and decreased creativity and interferes with their academic development. They get high scores in school because they are chronic underachievers, while normal children get admonished for trying to actually learn or explore during class time, which is time to sit down and turn the brain off.

I know some of you might find this funny, but I assure you I am completely serious here.

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