Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And here's the idea of procedurally generated mining dungeons instead of current pre-designed ones. The seed would take security level and region into account on what to spawn and may even be modified by recent mining numbers or a system specific asteroid frequency derived from current asteroid belt count into the creation.

If procedurally generated dungeons were a item on the to-do list of CCP, implementing them first with mining dungeons would probably the safest way to add, fix and evaluate such a system as mining areas are less complex and risk heavy as encounter sites.

While this idea sounds all well and good, the ores in EvE are actually types of asteroids called "family groups". I do not believe that these ores should be shoved into single massive rocks, the way ores work is perfectly fine. The compounds refined from ores make sense base off of family groupings. Basically what you want is targeted refining while you are mining an asteroid, and something that gamebreaking, shouldn't be implemented.

The way your mining works, is by targeting a compound inside of an asteroid yes? That basically means, you are selectively refining compounds out of an asteroid. You call it ores, yet an ore when in context of an asteroid is a specific family group. You are already mining a large group of compounds that need to be refined through a family group like Veldspar or Spodumain. Taking those family groups, and shoving them into a single rock, creates a redundant system that is already in place, not to mention it removes all effectiveness of current mining mechanics, which work imho, just fine.

But there are already so many different play styles in place for mining, gas mining, ore mining, and ice mining. Each one is different, and each serves its own functions.

The point I am trying to make, is that we do not need multi-ore rocks to replace the current system. It will create too much hassle, an people wouldn't mine those rocks, because you have to do a silly pi-interface like a minigame just to get the ores you want to get the minerals you want. It will end up hurting those whose skills are already in place for the current system. So, I give you a -1 for this suggestion. On the grounds it hurts current players, and creates an unnecessary and redundant system.

The op is thinking how to expand this part of gameplay the same way as it is done with every other system. The mining system works and does it's function well, but the immersion, possible interaction and gameplay that could make it more fun and exciting is the thing that misses. I mean, if you know about the whole industry changes and read devblogs, it is going through the same thing.

I see miners are so hungry of interaction that they want to improve interaction even with the belt itsalf.
Idea looks great. i give it a +1 also.
When it comes to interaction between miners and rest of players https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4596251#post4596251 im trying to figure out something , guess small help would be appriciated.

+10 for idea, but -1 for execution.

To preface my next comment let me first say to those people who are worried about yield when changing the mechanic, you are arguing a pointless argument because the yields can be changed to compliment the more interactive mechanic.

To my -1 with this idea (that I really like) we also need to think of the new player experience. Yes mining does need to be more fun and interactive but we need to get more new players to want to bust roids not be overburdened with mechanics and quit. I think the old system of mining should stay in place but have the ability to use a mechanic such as then to gain higher yields.

Furthermore you also need to think of multiboxers. If you require me to be fully immersed in mining I can no longer manage multiple charters at a time effectively. We don't want to mess to badly with the backbone of eve.

Crazy Idea:
How about a big highsec cap ship (that can stay in our new highsec pos) be able to go out to a belt and pick up roids to be brought back to a pos for refinement. So yes add a harder mining mechanic that makes multi boxing harder but add something that allows for a large (solo) roid busting operation.


Edit: And when I say "Pick up roids" I mean a giant ship like the spaceball1 that morphs into a maid with a vacuum cleaner and sucks up entire roids into the cargo hold to be broken down via pos module

http://d6holocron.com/wiki/images/4/43/Spaceball_One_3.jpg

Strip mining would yield less than currently, being the least interactive mining method. Deposit mining would yield around the same as now as the new standard for mining interactivity, vein mining would yield the most as it requires the most hands on activity.

The Deep Core laser required for vein mining has a short range, so you will have to move around a rock to reach the veins. Also they are generally small in volume, so it will need moving a lot from rock to rock and belt to belt to get a ore hold full.

My aim was for a few big rocks with 3-30km diameter (or different shape with similar volume) which would contain the better part of a belt, and smaller rocks around that would contain the rest. Check the tactical overlay to get the dimensions for a 30km diameter rock, it's quite impressive. Much bigger rocks could be incorporated with ideas from other people which I have linked to here.

I don't see the logic of depriving yourself of profits just to deprive others of potential profits, especially when those people could just go elsewhere to mine.

I only peripherally consider bots in my design. Any interface that can be navigated by a human get be handled by a bot. It is the job of CCP to prevent bots from damaging legit players by banning the lot.

Veins are only small in volume and I think they only have a insignificant impact on the general purity of the asteroid.

If such a system were to be implemented it should, imho, affect all kinds of 'harvesting' activities, like ratting and missioning, too. Personally, I am looking favourably on such a feature, though it may be difficult to balance and may have a more negative effect on general gameplay than benefit. But discussing that would be a topic for its own thread, not here.

The AFK crowd will continue to do what they like, so long as an allowance is made for them.

That said, there is no legitimate claim to be made against active play causing harm to AFK play.

Active play, by rewarding greater effort, deserves a higher rate of return that scales with the effort made.