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[Forums] Null sec is missing

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Theia Matova
Dominance Theory
#21 - 2013-05-02 15:33:08 UTC
What comes to the original post. Its nice idea that null sec should have their own forums. But do not expect that it will bring you people boom.

So /signed
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#22 - 2013-05-02 15:33:18 UTC
Mole Guy wrote:

i dont know your playing style. but if u find some of these "vets" and learn from them, they just might have something to teach you and u might make a friend. that would lead to better playing in greener pastures.


You're probably just too old and bitter to have gotten the noob memo that tells you that as a newer player, you should hate and fear anyone who has significantly more skill points than you. Apparently all they want to do is kill you with their multiboxed alts, and have no useful knowledge to impart, since skill in EVE is directly equivalent to how many accounts you can PLEX. Blink

Jokes aside, I think maybe OP made the mistake that a lot of new players make. They start with carebearing activities, because let's face it, it's easy, every game pushes you into them, and a lot of people don't want to do anything else. Then they need buddies, so they join a carebear corp. And that's where the learning pretty much stops, because outside of incursions, there's really no strategy to carebearing. You just keep grinding skills to fly new shiny ships that you will never wring performance out of because all you ever do with them is kill NPCs.

I started out doing carebear activities. I still do them. I explore, run combat plexes and DED sites, occasionally daytrip to highsec to work on faction standings or LP with some missions, or go down a wormhole and run some anomalies. But what's teaching me to be better is doing exactly what Mole Guy suggested. I found a PvP corp and joined it. Lord knows, I suck, but I can tell that I'm getting better all the time. And there's a lot of people in corp that know a lot of things, and are willing to teach them to me, and help me improve. I don't fear low or null (although null isn't always a cost effective choice depending on what jump clone I'm in) anymore, because I'm better equipped to hold my own.

Anyway OP. Quit crying about bitter vets. There's plenty, to be sure. But there's a lot more that are just plain vets, and they have a lot to teach, if you'll let them. And as to why there's no nullsec forum here? I imagine there's little point. The big alliances have their own forums that serve better than any one sub-forum could serve here.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#23 - 2013-05-02 15:33:20 UTC
Super spikinator wrote:
there was once CAOD. nobody goes there.


^^ used to be the nullsec forum section, it's just not so popular anymore.
Theia Matova
Dominance Theory
#24 - 2013-05-02 15:40:36 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
And as to why there's no nullsec forum here? I imagine there's little point. The big alliances have their own forums that serve better than any one sub-forum could serve here.


I am sure there is lot to talk about. Different fleet compositions, resources, announcing new null sec corps, null sec recruitement, industry deals, different type of arrangements for security. There should be tons of stuff to talk about.

CCP claims that EVE is social game show that it is.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#25 - 2013-05-02 15:47:06 UTC
Theia Matova wrote:
Do you know why people do not truly want to go to nullsec?

- Nullsec is full of bitter vets that multibox hell out of this game. (Don't want to be part of that)
- Skills and training time play too big part on performance. My skills are now mostly 3-5 but I know that I can still squeeze up to 15% capability out of ships. So Irather sit in high sec and low sec than go to place where most of people have 15% more capability to fly their ships than me.
- If I wanted to PVE (regain losses) without ratting by running missions or more difficult sites. I am more often forced to form mega tank against 2 elements. Which makes me easy and predictable target for PVPers.
- I want game that I can relax in and when I am forced to fight over resources and systems the game can turn to something more than enjoyable not relaxed game play anymore. I know why FCs yell at people. I have been raid leader of wow which is not PVP but yet **** up of one means that everyone suffers.

Thanks to ship rebalancing null sec is more appealing. Since I could even fly logistic or different roles with smaller losses now but truth is that null sec is full of bitter vets. You can see them all over the forums try to guard their own back. Its circle of people some are even the game devs.

I won't ever pay for 4-5 accounts or want to fly them at the same time yet I know that I never can fight against those people that have that. I have already had that experience in low and wormhole. I do not need null to see it too.


@ Theia....

wow... just wow...

--- If by multiboxing, you mean older players that utilize alts to explore different aspects of the game by parallel training (because they couldn't effectively accomplish it by training everything on one character), this is found in EVERY region of EvE. If you mean people forming 10 man solo PvP fleets... this rarely happens anywhere!

--- You don't need perfect skills to be a good pilot. You need an understanding of combat mechanics, how to fit your ship, and a good idea of what/when to engage. I was successfully soloing in nullsec before I could use t2 weapons!!!! Max skills only matter in a straight up punch-for-punch boxing match. Not even "fair" boxing matches function that way, as some boxers use speed, some power, etc. PvP in EvE is about engaging on terms in which you can win, and the 15% bonus a perfectly skill character may have over you should rarely matter to the outcome of a fight.

--- PvE is only one method of making isk. Sure, you might not be able to win a fight when a gang tackles you in a Plex, but so what. Don't get tackled. There is local, dscan, and intel channels which allow you to make isk very safely. There is a reason many people consider nullsec safer than highsec, it's because it's very easy to identify when your ship is at risk and hence take action to protect it.

--- If you want a game to "relax in", then join some renter alliance. Bubble your in-gate, and relax and play. You may occasionally get interrupted by third parties, but it's not a common thing.

In truth, you come across as very bitter, and very jaded in your view of nullsec.
Theia Matova
Dominance Theory
#26 - 2013-05-02 17:48:31 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

@ Theia....

wow... just wow...

In truth, you come across as very bitter, and very jaded in your view of nullsec.


I already addressed what I said to Mole Guy. I won't go over it again.


Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

--- If by multiboxing, you mean older players that utilize alts to explore different aspects of the game by parallel training (because they couldn't effectively accomplish it by training everything on one character), this is found in EVERY region of EvE. If you mean people forming 10 man solo PvP fleets... this rarely happens anywhere!


What comes to multiboxers I have had several encounters to multiboxers both in low sec and WH space. I also believe it to be very common in gate camps and station games due to current game mechanic allowing both to be sunday picnic. Even I do run scout and scanner on second account, occassionally providing fleet buff. But yes those multiboxers I have enjoyed running into have been running 4-5 accounts simultaneously. And even in fanfest alliance panel PL announced that they had several capitals / titans they could multibox. So yes its everyday eve..


Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

--- You don't need perfect skills to be a good pilot. You need an understanding of combat mechanics, how to fit your ship, and a good idea of what/when to engage. I was successfully soloing in nullsec before I could use t2 weapons!!!! Max skills only matter in a straight up punch-for-punch boxing match. Not even "fair" boxing matches function that way, as some boxers use speed, some power, etc. PvP in EvE is about engaging on terms in which you can win, and the 15% bonus a perfectly skill character may have over you should rarely matter to the outcome of a fight.


What comes to not having perfect skill. I do not expect my skills to be perfect but I simply state that its ridiculous how big effect skills have on your ships performance. I like skills and its very nice that we have goals! But come on lets say you up most skills to 4 and those that you have to train to V you can still get overall improvement of more than 5 percent almost to every aspect to the ship just by adding that last level. this 5% is big value when it comes to every skill you have.

Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

--- PvE is only one method of making isk. Sure, you might not be able to win a fight when a gang tackles you in a Plex, but so what. Don't get tackled. There is local, dscan, and intel channels which allow you to make isk very safely. There is a reason many people consider nullsec safer than highsec, it's because it's very easy to identify when your ship is at risk and hence take action to protect it.


I do not believe money is the issue in null. Not at least when you are careful. But you most likely need connections in null sec corps, of course you can do it without corps but then your risk is all the greater. What comes null being more secure than highsec. Honestly right now I have not been able to figure a way to keep local and dscan drones overview.. Important things on my screen at one time. I am sure it gets better when you get used to it but I simply can get every important thing to fit. Its bit over to top to say that anyway.. Since you have roamers, null politics, your corp mate that simply is pissed about you and so on :p

Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

--- If you want a game to "relax in", then join some renter alliance. Bubble your in-gate, and relax and play. You may occasionally get interrupted by third parties, but it's not a common thing.

I do not know the exact term on renter alliance but that sounds just fancy way of putting it when you pay "secure" money. I am not even nullsec player and its getting quite repeative the most in control alliances. Yes there is always interesting bits happening but goons are still major so is test alliance. I spoke with some EVE vets that have stopped playing the game and they complained that devs favored goons and their ally test alliance. I did not really pay attention to this story but I believe it was genuine. What I am also worried about that EVE devs are part of the game and that they will drive null sec to perhaps to their own favor. Speaking of that I think it was cool for CCP to actually allow people to have input to the seed where the T2 mats spawn next. Its quite irrelevant but still cool :p So soon we might see some reorganization of null sec when alliances acquire some new nice systems :p

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