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Angang Ostus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2013-05-01 17:19:51 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
I think the PVE in EVE is basically ok (I do null sec exploration, low sec PVE except FW, and high sec exploration and incursions), people who keep screaming for pve "iteration" are just people who are easily bored and should probably be playing a more PVE oriented game to begin with.


People who argue for PVE being left in the dust while literally everything else receives extensive iteration are just reactionaries who reject diversity.
Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2013-05-01 17:25:53 UTC
Everyone in eve should be considered a solo player, from one man corps to big alliance bosses, after all its all personal ego....

Simply put, the meta games and the lack of trust it engenders along with the multiple accounts its evident we are all out just for our selves.

Huge scams, corp rip offs, disbanding BoB, all solo players that kicked the others.

already dead, just haven┬┤t fallen over yet....

Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#63 - 2013-05-01 17:28:28 UTC
Brainless Bimbo wrote:
Everyone in eve should be considered a solo player, from one man corps to big alliance bosses, after all its all personal ego....

Simply put, the meta games and the lack of trust it engenders along with the multiple accounts its evident we are all out just for our selves.

Huge scams, corp rip offs, disbanding BoB, all solo players that kicked the others.


Ya, exactly. It would actually be a bad move to make group interaction too easy and structured. Groups should be fractious and constantly rising and falling.

Otherwise it's just "clanwars" online, which empties out a huge range of group formation and maintenance that makes interaction in Eve so fun.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#64 - 2013-05-01 17:30:00 UTC
Most of those people who say "this is a multiplayer game go back to WoW" are the ones who tend to take glee in ganking, scamming, etc. and exhibit an inability to get over themselves.


The rest of the players, regardless of what the do, do whatever they want, and don't care what anybody else does. They might play in groups, they might play solo, they probably do both..

Most important of all, they don't sit there saying "Eve is...." and then try to adhere to it like some kind of religion.

Self-interest and not giving a rats ass what anybody thinks - that's a sandbox. That's also an exercise in liberty.

Sometimes I suspect that the "Eve is... and therefore all must adhere to it" crowd are the kids who grew up watching too many political speeches where they were sold on the virtues of seeking out causes "greater than themselves". Well, whatever one's opinion on any cause, I doubt a video game is one of them.

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Jenn aSide
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#65 - 2013-05-01 17:43:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Angang Ostus wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
I think the PVE in EVE is basically ok (I do null sec exploration, low sec PVE except FW, and high sec exploration and incursions), people who keep screaming for pve "iteration" are just people who are easily bored and should probably be playing a more PVE oriented game to begin with.


People who argue for PVE being left in the dust while literally everything else receives extensive iteration are just reactionaries who reject diversity.


That's just paranoid BS (the paranoid part is ignoring all the great recent PVE changes while concntrating attention on the few changes that have affected pvp).

PVE gets iterated on all the time (incursion nerf/ buff, null sec anom buffs/nerfs, the mission ui overhaul last year, the major NPC AI change that happened a few months ago etc etc etc). Hell, the next expansion will include major changes or additions to key parts of PVE (anomaly rebalance, scanning changes, ice anoms, major mag/radar overhaul).

WTf are you talking about anyway?

EVE PVE is fine, hell its better than it was 2 years ago. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's broken.
Angang Ostus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2013-05-01 18:53:55 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Angang Ostus wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
I think the PVE in EVE is basically ok (I do null sec exploration, low sec PVE except FW, and high sec exploration and incursions), people who keep screaming for pve "iteration" are just people who are easily bored and should probably be playing a more PVE oriented game to begin with.


People who argue for PVE being left in the dust while literally everything else receives extensive iteration are just reactionaries who reject diversity.


That's just paranoid BS (the paranoid part is ignoring all the great recent PVE changes while concntrating attention on the few changes that have affected pvp).

PVE gets iterated on all the time (incursion nerf/ buff, null sec anom buffs/nerfs, the mission ui overhaul last year, the major NPC AI change that happened a few months ago etc etc etc). Hell, the next expansion will include major changes or additions to key parts of PVE (anomaly rebalance, scanning changes, ice anoms, major mag/radar overhaul).

WTf are you talking about anyway?

EVE PVE is fine, hell its better than it was 2 years ago. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's broken.


It's not broken. It's just old and tired. There are two kinds of iteration, maintenance and new stuff. Everything up to now since Apocrypha, other than Incursions, has been maintenance. That's important and those changes have been great. Odyssey is clearly going to add some new content to exploration. Hopefully it's more than just the model of the ancient colony ships they showed at Fanfest. If they think just that plus pinata mechanics is going to instill " a sense of wonder" in us they've got another thing coming.

You're wrong. EVE PVE is not fine. Anything in an MMORPG that has only received maintenance but precious little new stuff for this many years is far from just fine.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
#67 - 2013-05-01 19:03:15 UTC
then you have the real issue

solo pvp is acceptable and encouraged
solo mining is not


so lets be clear on what aspect of solo play people really hate
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#68 - 2013-05-01 19:04:09 UTC
Angang Ostus wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Angang Ostus wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
I think the PVE in EVE is basically ok (I do null sec exploration, low sec PVE except FW, and high sec exploration and incursions), people who keep screaming for pve "iteration" are just people who are easily bored and should probably be playing a more PVE oriented game to begin with.


People who argue for PVE being left in the dust while literally everything else receives extensive iteration are just reactionaries who reject diversity.


That's just paranoid BS (the paranoid part is ignoring all the great recent PVE changes while concntrating attention on the few changes that have affected pvp).

PVE gets iterated on all the time (incursion nerf/ buff, null sec anom buffs/nerfs, the mission ui overhaul last year, the major NPC AI change that happened a few months ago etc etc etc). Hell, the next expansion will include major changes or additions to key parts of PVE (anomaly rebalance, scanning changes, ice anoms, major mag/radar overhaul).

WTf are you talking about anyway?

EVE PVE is fine, hell its better than it was 2 years ago. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's broken.


It's not broken. It's just old and tired. There are two kinds of iteration, maintenance and new stuff. Everything up to now since Apocrypha, other than Incursions, has been maintenance. That's important and those changes have been great. Odyssey is clearly going to add some new content to exploration. Hopefully it's more than just the model of the ancient colony ships they showed at Fanfest. If they think just that plus pinata mechanics is going to instill " a sense of wonder" in us they've got another thing coming.

You're wrong. EVE PVE is not fine. Anything in an MMORPG that has only received maintenance but precious little new stuff for this many years is far from just fine.


EvE Online is an old school sandbox mmo-rpg game, not a kindergarten themepark game. In EvE, players are the content. It makes no sense to spend CCP precious time making worthless themepark stuff.

What CCP should do is constantly iterate and improve the existing systems (like in the last 3 expansions) and intruduce new sandbox features (Odyssey).

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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#69 - 2013-05-01 19:05:48 UTC
yeah, missions could use an overhaul in particular. they're unengaging grindfests currently.

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Angang Ostus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2013-05-01 22:17:29 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
Angang Ostus wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Angang Ostus wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
I think the PVE in EVE is basically ok (I do null sec exploration, low sec PVE except FW, and high sec exploration and incursions), people who keep screaming for pve "iteration" are just people who are easily bored and should probably be playing a more PVE oriented game to begin with.


People who argue for PVE being left in the dust while literally everything else receives extensive iteration are just reactionaries who reject diversity.


That's just paranoid BS (the paranoid part is ignoring all the great recent PVE changes while concntrating attention on the few changes that have affected pvp).

PVE gets iterated on all the time (incursion nerf/ buff, null sec anom buffs/nerfs, the mission ui overhaul last year, the major NPC AI change that happened a few months ago etc etc etc). Hell, the next expansion will include major changes or additions to key parts of PVE (anomaly rebalance, scanning changes, ice anoms, major mag/radar overhaul).

WTf are you talking about anyway?

EVE PVE is fine, hell its better than it was 2 years ago. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's broken.


It's not broken. It's just old and tired. There are two kinds of iteration, maintenance and new stuff. Everything up to now since Apocrypha, other than Incursions, has been maintenance. That's important and those changes have been great. Odyssey is clearly going to add some new content to exploration. Hopefully it's more than just the model of the ancient colony ships they showed at Fanfest. If they think just that plus pinata mechanics is going to instill " a sense of wonder" in us they've got another thing coming.

You're wrong. EVE PVE is not fine. Anything in an MMORPG that has only received maintenance but precious little new stuff for this many years is far from just fine.


EvE Online is an old school sandbox mmo-rpg game, not a kindergarten themepark game. In EvE, players are the content. It makes no sense to spend CCP precious time making worthless themepark stuff.

What CCP should do is constantly iterate and improve the existing systems (like in the last 3 expansions) and intruduce new sandbox features (Odyssey).


I don't think in black and white like you. I see a grey area where sci fi lovers like myself can get some content while the sandbox continues to roll on. I can participate fully in the sandbox while taking time on the side to enjoy some content that immerses me in the world in a different way. And make some ISK while I'm at it, which I need to do anyway. If CCP is lacking in "precious time" to make this happen, then...well I hope they heed voices like mine and hire the right people.

You can be as disrespectful as you like but more PVE content would improve EVE for a lot of us. And I'm talking about people who love EVE and want to invest in it and want to be active in player interaction and emergent content.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2013-05-01 22:33:35 UTC
Sigh. It's your game time, play how you want. End of story. CCP will cater to what their numbers show. If all of a sudden, tomorrows data showed that 75% of the player were solo players, CCP's next expansion would be all for solo players. Thats the way Corporations work in real life. They cater to their customer base or someone else will and they go out of business.



dark heartt wrote:
It's not so much the solo gameplay that people dislike, it's the mindset that people generally get from playing solo. I do a lot of solo activities in game as my time permits, but I also involve myself in the community. I would say that the vast majority of solo players are the miners and industrialists out there and they tend to complain about being killed by gankers and use the 'highsec should be safe argument'.

The other major thing is that they feel solo players don't bring any emergent gameplay to the sandbox, so they don't contribute anything to the game.

That and some people just like to hate on other peoples gameplay styles just because it isn't their own.


I agree and disagree.

I agree that it's not so much solo players, its the solo players that complain about Solo content when EVE is clearly marketing as a game with immense social implications that are the problem.
I disagree that its the vast majority. I dont think there is anyway to put a number on this. Unless CCP has offical data on this, this is just conjecture.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#72 - 2013-05-01 22:56:28 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
The general impression I came away from Fanfest with was that CCP want to make more PvE content... but they want it to be more geared towards group play... and by that I mean; you can still run content solo, you just won't be very efficient doing it by yourself (or multiboxing).

And as far as the state of PvE is concerned Angang Ostus... the problem with creating whole new PvE content that people can run by themselves is that it will be mapped out and become repetitive in the space of 6 months or less. Then the DEVs are back at square one. Rinse and repeat.

The best content we have got PvE-wise (in my opinion) is where the DEVs gave us tools and a situation that cannot be solo'ed by a single player (not without very significant effort and/or risk at least).

Wormholes are a good example of this. C1s to C3s can be solo'd... it's hard and risky but doable. Beyond that you NEED people... because if the Sleepers don't rip you a new one then someone residing or invading it will.
Incursions... pure group content. When they first came out people whinged and bitched because they lost their pimp fit Rattlesnakes and CNRs screaming "I shouldn't be forced to work with others." A year later it's now "old and tired" PvE... but wait... it's still chugging and still causing drama... because the players themselves are causing it... because the site forces them to interact.

Whether some like it or not... content that encourages group interaction and conflict is the way this game is going to evolve... simply because it's more future proof than anything else. It's also FAR more entertaining.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#73 - 2013-05-01 23:27:02 UTC
I'll have to admit. My main money maker is in an NPC corp. I sometimes interact with people, but always at arms length... With a 10 foot pole.

I suppose saying this will make someone invariably mad as they claim that NPC corps are the bane of EVE's existence.

I suppose I could join someone else's corp but then I would have to deal with corp taxes, asshatery, wardec's, and awoxing.

I suppose then you could cry and whine on the forums til the dev's forced everyone out of NPC corps, but then I'd just start a one man corp and disband every time someone war dec's me.

Sometimes putting up with other people is too much work.

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#74 - 2013-05-01 23:31:07 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
I'll have to admit. My main money maker is in an NPC corp. I sometimes interact with people, but always at arms length... With a 10 foot pole.

I suppose saying this will make someone invariably mad as they claim that NPC corps are the bane of EVE's existence.

I suppose I could join someone else's corp but then I would have to deal with corp taxes, asshatery, wardec's, and awoxing.

I suppose then you could cry and whine on the forums til the dev's forced everyone out of NPC corps, but then I'd just start a one man corp and disband every time someone war dec's me.

Sometimes putting up with other people is too much work.


Go nuts, nobody actually cares what you DO; we just care when you cry on the forums as the box you put yourself in gets smaller and smaller.

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Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
Lord of Worlds Alliance
#75 - 2013-05-01 23:37:03 UTC
Jenn aSide
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#76 - 2013-05-01 23:41:15 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
I'll have to admit. My main money maker is in an NPC corp. I sometimes interact with people, but always at arms length... With a 10 foot pole.

I suppose saying this will make someone invariably mad as they claim that NPC corps are the bane of EVE's existence.

I suppose I could join someone else's corp but then I would have to deal with corp taxes, asshatery, wardec's, and awoxing.

I suppose then you could cry and whine on the forums til the dev's forced everyone out of NPC corps, but then I'd just start a one man corp and disband every time someone war dec's me.

Sometimes putting up with other people is too much work.


Go nuts, nobody actually cares what you DO; we just care when you cry on the forums as the box you put yourself in gets smaller and smaller.


No matter how many times you say it Varius, it keeps on being true (truth does that lol) Big smile .

I jsut sometimes feel sorry for people, namely the people who somehow need to think "it's all about me". It drives me a little crazy when someone pulls out that "you must want me to play differently" BS. I mean seriously, what does that say about a person that they could actually feel that way?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#77 - 2013-05-02 00:24:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
First up, I'm mainly a solo hisec PvE/Industry player with 3 characters. Solo play is fine, it's the attitudes of some of the people who do it that are the problem, that can change with time, mine certainly has.

I came to Eve from a non MMO gaming background, I was shocked the first time I got killed and wailed in local, everybody enjoyed my tears Sad 3 months later I realised that one day, I could be the one doing the killing. I left highsec, lived in wormholes for 2 years, exploded a bit, lived in lowsec for 6 months, did the group thing and exploded some more, but solo and highsec is how I prefer to play, for the moment. It doesn't stop me teaming up with like minded folk when an opportune target presents itself or to achieve something that requires teamwork though. Pirate

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#78 - 2013-05-02 00:31:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Tardbar
Jenn aSide wrote:
Varius Xeral wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
I'll have to admit. My main money maker is in an NPC corp. I sometimes interact with people, but always at arms length... With a 10 foot pole.

I suppose saying this will make someone invariably mad as they claim that NPC corps are the bane of EVE's existence.

I suppose I could join someone else's corp but then I would have to deal with corp taxes, asshatery, wardec's, and awoxing.

I suppose then you could cry and whine on the forums til the dev's forced everyone out of NPC corps, but then I'd just start a one man corp and disband every time someone war dec's me.

Sometimes putting up with other people is too much work.


Go nuts, nobody actually cares what you DO; we just care when you cry on the forums as the box you put yourself in gets smaller and smaller.


No matter how many times you say it Varius, it keeps on being true (truth does that lol) Big smile .

I jsut sometimes feel sorry for people, namely the people who somehow need to think "it's all about me". It drives me a little crazy when someone pulls out that "you must want me to play differently" BS. I mean seriously, what does that say about a person that they could actually feel that way?


I don't know. I've seen a lot of mad players demand that NPC corps be nerfed. I don't care either way. I'm only one step away from running everything in a one man corp. But many of you seem like you want me to join an alliance and kowtow to the powers that be. Its as if there is a group of players are just incensed at the fact player plays solo.

As long as you say "I don't care about NPC corps and solo players" then we're all cool. Its just that I have seen the opposite on many occasions. As long as playing solo is viable, I'll keep playing. Who knows, I might have a seperate account with a SA forum account just waiting for the 3 months so I can get in.

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#79 - 2013-05-02 00:41:05 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
I don't know. I've seen a lot of mad players demand that NPC corps be nerfed. I don't care either way. I'm only one step away from running everything in a one man corp. But many of you seem like you want me to join an alliance and kowtow to the powers that be. Its as if there is a group of players are just incensed at the fact player plays solo.

As long as you say "I don't care about NPC corps and solo players" then we're all cool. Its just that I have seen the opposite on many occasions. As long as playing solo is viable, I'll keep playing. Who knows, I might have a seperate account with a SA forum account just waiting for the 3 months so I can get in.


Nonono, we don't care that you refuse to play interactively. That doesn't mean we don't support changes that hamper your playstyle.

Not caring what YOU do, does not equate to not caring how the game is structured.

I fully support the removal of NPC corps given that the few essentials they provide (new player stuff) is handled by new (better) mechanisms. I don't care whether that's a burden or boon to YOU.

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#80 - 2013-05-02 00:45:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Tardbar
Varius Xeral wrote:
That doesn't mean we don't support changes that hamper your playstyle.


So to borrow from my sig... So you hate the way I play and it makes you cry like a baby?

I suppose I should enjoy your tears while it lasts.

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