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Temba Ronin
#21 - 2013-05-01 14:06:46 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
The low turn out is thanks to a more complicated voting system that doesn't even accomplish anything they claim it does anyway.

hope this helps

Always nice to hear from people.

More people need to comment about why they did not vote, or what they did not like about the elections or the previous CSM.

Only through comments can problems be fixed.

It is a game dude! Why do you think it is a problem if players choose to not vote? I know you are fond of dropping the numbers that do not support your position, suppose none of your straw man questions about why people did not vote are valid?

Do you think it possible that with a number of non-english speaking players from around the world, a number of players who don't give a rats behind about any political anything, and a number of players who just want to play EVE that expecting voter participation to climb year after year might have been unrealistic?

If it's not broke don't fix it, and just because it didn't come out the way you wanted don't try to fix it. The problem seems to be your lack of acceptance of the fact that the majority of the players who made the choice to vote did not vote in the manner you wanted them to. That's not CSM7's problem, perhaps not so much CCP's problem, that's your problem .... deal with it.



Power To The Players!

The Best Ship In EVE Online Is "Friendship", Power To The Players!
Frying Doom
#22 - 2013-05-01 14:17:24 UTC
Temba Ronin wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
The low turn out is thanks to a more complicated voting system that doesn't even accomplish anything they claim it does anyway.

hope this helps

Always nice to hear from people.

More people need to comment about why they did not vote, or what they did not like about the elections or the previous CSM.

Only through comments can problems be fixed.

It is a game dude! Why do you think it is a problem if players choose to not vote? I know you are fond of dropping the numbers that do not support your position, suppose none of your straw man questions about why people did not vote are valid?

Do you think it possible that with a number of non-english speaking players from around the world, a number of players who don't give a rats behind about any political anything, and a number of players who just want to play EVE that expecting voter participation to climb year after year might have been unrealistic?

If it's not broke don't fix it, and just because it didn't come out the way you wanted don't try to fix it. The problem seems to be your lack of acceptance of the fact that the majority of the players who made the choice to vote did not vote in the manner you wanted them to. That's not CSM7's problem, perhaps not so much CCP's problem, that's your problem .... deal with it.



Power To The Players!

That is a lot of words, to say you don't want to hear peoples opinions.
I have never really cared how players vote, as long as they vote. If you read the voting forums you could see that. So please don't project your own inadequacies onto me.

Yes some people just plain don't vote. Yes there are non-english speaking players and more needs to be done to reach them.

The CSM is the voice of the players and I personally would like to see as many of those voices heard as possible. The more people that vote the more representative the council is of EvE, the more weight that voice has and on top of all that the better a PR tool it is for CCP.

As to it not being broken, now you are just dribbling, the voting takes a major down turn after years of steady growth, but you just say "If it's not broke don't fix it"

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Temba Ronin
#23 - 2013-05-01 14:35:18 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Temba Ronin wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
The low turn out is thanks to a more complicated voting system that doesn't even accomplish anything they claim it does anyway.

hope this helps

Always nice to hear from people.

More people need to comment about why they did not vote, or what they did not like about the elections or the previous CSM.

Only through comments can problems be fixed.

It is a game dude! Why do you think it is a problem if players choose to not vote? I know you are fond of dropping the numbers that do not support your position, suppose none of your straw man questions about why people did not vote are valid?

Do you think it possible that with a number of non-english speaking players from around the world, a number of players who don't give a rats behind about any political anything, and a number of players who just want to play EVE that expecting voter participation to climb year after year might have been unrealistic?

If it's not broke don't fix it, and just because it didn't come out the way you wanted don't try to fix it. The problem seems to be your lack of acceptance of the fact that the majority of the players who made the choice to vote did not vote in the manner you wanted them to. That's not CSM7's problem, perhaps not so much CCP's problem, that's your problem .... deal with it.



Power To The Players!

That is a lot of words, to say you don't want to hear peoples opinions.
I have never really cared how players vote, as long as they vote. If you read the voting forums you could see that. So please don't project your own inadequacies onto me.

Yes some people just plain don't vote. Yes there are non-english speaking players and more needs to be done to reach them.

The CSM is the voice of the players and I personally would like to see as many of those voices heard as possible. The more people that vote the more representative the council is of EvE, the more weight that voice has and on top of all that the better a PR tool it is for CCP.

As to it not being broken, now you are just dribbling, the voting takes a major down turn after years of steady growth, but you just say "If it's not broke don't fix it"

Are you incapable of grasping a new concept? You don't care who they vote for as long as they vote? Who made you king? Get over yourself, nothing ever goes up without coming down except self righteous windbags who need to "fix" other players so they vote.

Power To The Players!

The Best Ship In EVE Online Is "Friendship", Power To The Players!
GallowsCalibrator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2013-05-01 14:39:28 UTC
Temba Ronin wrote:
-- snip --
self righteous windbags



/thread
June Ting
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#25 - 2013-05-01 15:34:40 UTC
It'll be interesting to see how many partial ballots and how many donkey vote/kitchen sink votes there are vs. organized slate votes.

I fight for the freedom of my people.
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#26 - 2013-05-01 17:28:44 UTC
According to Poetic Stanziel (the Glen Beck to your Orly Taitz) math the % is down because there's over 50k new accounts on TQ. Yes, I'm sure CCP is absolutely scrambling to find a way to spin that positively...

I don't know why the dev blog is delayed but I doubt the reason is remotely sinister, mostly because there's no reason to be and it would take considerable work to do for no imaginable gain.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-05-01 17:36:34 UTC
The only thing lower than the voter turnout is the percentage of players who care about voter turnout.

BADOOMCHISH

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
GetSirrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-05-01 22:33:13 UTC
well, the OP could stage a protest over this. park your pod next to the jita monument then hold your breath or cease posting - either will work for the rest of us.
GallowsCalibrator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2013-05-01 22:56:09 UTC
Him ceasing posting would be pretty nice
Frying Doom
#30 - 2013-05-02 00:05:11 UTC
Temba Ronin wrote:
Are you incapable of grasping a new concept? You don't care who they vote for as long as they vote? Who made you king? Get over yourself, nothing ever goes up without coming down except self righteous windbags who need to "fix" other players so they vote.

Power To The Players!

No one made me king, but unlike you I would like to see the CSM, the voice of the players, actually be representative of the Majority of players and how do we know what they want? We get them involved in the voting process and in the forums. How? By making the CSM more appealing to them and educating them as to why they should vote.

Yes the current situation does better for the organised blocs, so they have a vested interest in keeping it that way but even they did not want the STV system originally, now that Null has 10 members on the CSM via it, they seem ok with it.

So you seem more like the self righteous windbag, happy keeping things as they are now.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#31 - 2013-05-02 00:06:40 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
According to Poetic Stanziel (the Glen Beck to your Orly Taitz) math the % is down because there's over 50k new accounts on TQ. Yes, I'm sure CCP is absolutely scrambling to find a way to spin that positively...

I don't know why the dev blog is delayed but I doubt the reason is remotely sinister, mostly because there's no reason to be and it would take considerable work to do for no imaginable gain.

There is no reason for CSM7 to hide who actually supported the STV, except you, Two Step and Trebor. So if it is nothing sinister why don't you come out and tell us?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Temba Ronin
#32 - 2013-05-02 01:14:01 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Temba Ronin wrote:
Are you incapable of grasping a new concept? You don't care who they vote for as long as they vote? Who made you king? Get over yourself, nothing ever goes up without coming down except self righteous windbags who need to "fix" other players so they vote.

Power To The Players!

No one made me king, but unlike you I would like to see the CSM, the voice of the players, actually be representative of the Majority of players and how do we know what they want? We get them involved in the voting process and in the forums. How? By making the CSM more appealing to them and educating them as to why they should vote.

Yes the current situation does better for the organised blocs, so they have a vested interest in keeping it that way but even they did not want the STV system originally, now that Null has 10 members on the CSM via it, they seem ok with it.

So you seem more like the self righteous windbag, happy keeping things as they are now.



Again you just say things and pretend they are facts .....

I have said nothing to suggest that i do not want the CSM to be the voice of the players, or to not be representative of the majority of players, in fact I have said quite the opposite.

In fact i engaged in a lively discussion with The Mittani and some of his supporters right here in these forums when he redefined constituent to mean only the people who voted for him.


So my position and consistent stance is indeed verifiable beyond just this election cycle. However since i didn't agree with your extreme antics and verbal tantrums you simply created an alternate reality and spoke to that.

Who is this royal "we" you are referring to?

Surprise surprise large groups of players who fly together have more collective voter clout then smaller groups, stop the presses who would have thought such a think possible!


Power To The Players!

The Best Ship In EVE Online Is "Friendship", Power To The Players!
Frying Doom
#33 - 2013-05-02 04:49:58 UTC
Temba Ronin We get them involved in the voting process and in the forums. How? By making the CSM more appealing to them and educating them as to why they should vote.[/quote wrote:

Who is this royal "we" you are referring to?

Well obviously not you.

You seem content for the CSM to wallow in minority, fighting thing that would improve CSMs appearance to the non-voter, while going on about how enlightened you are.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Temba Ronin
#34 - 2013-05-02 07:08:17 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Temba Ronin We get them involved in the voting process and in the forums. How? By making the CSM more appealing to them and educating them as to why they should vote.

Who is this royal "we" you are referring to?[/quote wrote:

Well obviously not you.

You seem content for the CSM to wallow in minority, fighting thing that would improve CSMs appearance to the non-voter, while going on about how enlightened you are.

I am optimistic, I think CSM8 can be the best most effective CSM we have had, I want them to have my support to try. I did not vote for everyone who won but I have an interest in them all being successful.

You seem like such an unhappy person, this is a game you should be enjoying yourself. I am, lol, just declared war on some annoying pukes. My strategy is to keep the wardec going for about a month or two, surprising how foolish pilots get with the passage of a little time, they actually forget lol.

Play the game, go blow something up and or get blown up, it's a blast either way. Seems like you could mellow out if you did not take yourself so serious. Play the game dude, play the game!

Power To The Players!

The Best Ship In EVE Online Is "Friendship", Power To The Players!
Frying Doom
#35 - 2013-05-02 09:48:23 UTC
Temba Ronin wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Temba Ronin We get them involved in the voting process and in the forums. How? By making the CSM more appealing to them and educating them as to why they should vote.

Who is this royal "we" you are referring to?

Well obviously not you.

You seem content for the CSM to wallow in minority, fighting thing that would improve CSMs appearance to the non-voter, while going on about how enlightened you are.[/quote wrote:

I am optimistic, I think CSM8 can be the best most effective CSM we have had, I want them to have my support to try. I did not vote for everyone who won but I have an interest in them all being successful.

You seem like such an unhappy person, this is a game you should be enjoying yourself. I am, lol, just declared war on some annoying pukes. My strategy is to keep the wardec going for about a month or two, surprising how foolish pilots get with the passage of a little time, they actually forget lol.

Play the game, go blow something up and or get blown up, it's a blast either way. Seems like you could mellow out if you did not take yourself so serious. Play the game dude, play the game!

Power To The Players!

I love how because I would like to see a chairman elected for the good of the CSM, rather than just someones ego, I must be an unhappy person.

I am not so unhappy as to be fighting for the sake of my own ego, unlike some. It is amazing that some people need a chairman to be from Null to validate their existence.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Rengerel en Distel
#36 - 2013-05-02 15:17:25 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

I am not so unhappy as to be fighting for the sake of my own ego, unlike some. It is amazing that some people need a chairman to be from Null to validate their existence.


Unlike you who needs a chairman not from Null to validate their existence.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Frying Doom
#37 - 2013-05-02 16:21:27 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

I am not so unhappy as to be fighting for the sake of my own ego, unlike some. It is amazing that some people need a chairman to be from Null to validate their existence.


Unlike you who needs a chairman not from Null to validate their existence.

I do so love the personal attacks from people who would prefer CSM members put their own egos before the good of the council.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2013-05-02 16:49:08 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

I do so love the personal attacks from people who would prefer CSM members put their own egos before the good of the council.

you can't really complain about people using personal attacks when that's basically your stock in trade

what's good for the goose is good for the gander etc etc
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2013-05-02 20:02:51 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
I do so love the personal attacks from people who would prefer CSM members put their own brains before my own ego.


I fixed that for you. You're welcome Smile

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Frying Doom
#40 - 2013-05-02 23:30:42 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
I do so love the personal attacks from people who would prefer CSM members put their own brains before my own ego.


I fixed that for you. You're welcome Smile

No it is our ego that needs the Chairman to be from your alliance not mine.

Especially as the illusion of power is almost as good as the power its self.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
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