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Proposal for CSM Chairman, Secretary.

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Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#161 - 2013-05-03 08:04:50 UTC
So I'll assume that to mean your list is finished at two (2) poor communicators.

mynnna, a regular TMDC contributor, is ruled out because he didn't justify himself to you. You have ZERO influence over the decision. Thus, I conclude he's at the very least an efficient communicator, given he quickly recognized that you are a completely irrelevant part of this process and thus do not merit an explanation. What kind of communicator would waste their time blabbing about nonsense to everyone in earshot "just because"?

As you've yet to mention any other justification of his being a poor communicator, we can also conclude from this that your ego is through the ******* roof, as it was his failure to explain himself TO YOU that was the deciding factor between mynnna being good enough and not being good enough.

Your second entry was Trebor, the only candidate I'd agree with, though not for your reasoning. You posit that he has poor communcation skills by saying "CSM 7" a lot while failing to provide any examples. Had you gone the easy route and pointed out that the content of his communications (both with players and CCP) are sometimes deplorable and represent a not-great direction for the CSM from a player's perspective, you might have had your "broken clock" moment, but alas.

You're 0 for 2 on your criticisms, and you somehow didn't even mention progod, which should have been the "gimme" of any list what with no blog or twitter or campaign for that matter (the horror!). This means that your endorsement of Mike Azariah is based solely on his highsec residence, a concept which he roundly rejected via his only post in this thread.

tl;dr your ideas are terrible, your arguments are trash, and your mere presence in Jita Park is a pestilence on the CSM process. Go away.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Frying Doom
#162 - 2013-05-03 08:24:48 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
So I'll assume that to mean your list is finished at two (2) poor communicators.

mynnna, a regular TMDC contributor, is ruled out because he didn't justify himself to you. You have ZERO influence over the decision. Thus, I conclude he's at the very least an efficient communicator, given he quickly recognized that you are a completely irrelevant part of this process and thus do not merit an explanation. What kind of communicator would waste their time blabbing about nonsense to everyone in earshot "just because"?

As you've yet to mention any other justification of his being a poor communicator, we can also conclude from this that your ego is through the ******* roof, as it was his failure to explain himself TO YOU that was the deciding factor between mynnna being good enough and not being good enough.

Your second entry was Trebor, the only candidate I'd agree with, though not for your reasoning. You posit that he has poor communcation skills by saying "CSM 7" a lot while failing to provide any examples. Had you gone the easy route and pointed out that the content of his communications (both with players and CCP) are sometimes deplorable and represent a not-great direction for the CSM from a player's perspective, you might have had your "broken clock" moment, but alas.

You're 0 for 2 on your criticisms, and you somehow didn't even mention progod, which should have been the "gimme" of any list what with no blog or twitter or campaign for that matter (the horror!). This means that your endorsement of Mike Azariah is based solely on his highsec residence, a concept which he roundly rejected via his only post in this thread.

tl;dr your ideas are terrible, your arguments are trash, and your mere presence in Jita Park is a pestilence on the CSM process. Go away.

The usual blah blah blah, you will say anything to justify having Mynnna as Chairman, even though chairman no longer means leader of the CSM. Yes Mynnna is brilliant when it comes to the market but beyond that he is lost.

As to Trebor if you actually paid attention to the CSM all year long, I would not have to explain the obvious, that Trebor failed to communicate, something The Mittani even commented on.

As to Mike he is not solely a high sec resident as I have shown multiple times through out this thread.

But your need to have the CSM Chairman as a Goon is apparently blocking your ability to read.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#163 - 2013-05-03 08:39:01 UTC
Yeah, it's the usual "blah blah Frying Doom's _______________ has yet again prevented him from realizing that nobody has or will ever take him seriously". Not my fault you don't switch your schtick up.

By the way, that blank can be filled in with "massive ego" or "crippling autism". I'll leave that one up you, I guess.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Frying Doom
#164 - 2013-05-03 08:51:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Being taken seriously by a member of Goonswarm is hardly at the top of my list of cares

The matter still stands that Mynnna or Trebor are not suited to a communication position as this thread has shown but as I have said I am sure the need to have the chairmans title to bloat egos will once again be put before the good of the CSM.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

dark heartt
#165 - 2013-05-03 08:56:18 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Being taken seriously by a member of Goonswarm is hardly at the top of my list of cares

The matter still stands that Mynnna or Trebor are not suited to a communication position as this thread has shown but as I have said I am sure the need to have the chairmans title to bloat egos will once again be put before the good of the CSM.


Please point out HOW this thread has shown that they are bad communicators. They have taken the time to respond to you despite the fact neither of them needs to. That is communication. What did they say that was so bad for you?
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#166 - 2013-05-03 08:59:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
Frying Doom wrote:
Being taken seriously by a member of Goonswarm is hardly at the top of my list of cares


Nobody takes you seriously. That one's not a Goonswarm exclusive.


Frying Doom wrote:
The matter still stands that Mynnna or Trebor are not suited to a communication position as this thread has shown but as i have said I am sure the need to have the chairmans title to bloat egos will once again be put before the good of the CSM.


The only ego being bloated in all of this is yours - your head is so inflated you somehow think you're influential in the face of several CSM's past and present openly mocking you, and even the ones that don't have shut down your trains of thought pretty quickly. Even Mike Azariah, the candidate you're backing, opently told you that the CSM is "beyond" your stupid notion that a highsec candidate would be better simply because they're a highsec candidate - I guess you know better than he does, right?

And yet, here you are, not only still ignoring all of the above but actually going a step further and acting as if your terrible ill-founded opinions are fact. Are you off your meds or something?

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Frying Doom
#167 - 2013-05-03 09:09:58 UTC
Personal attacks are always welcome.

I means you have no counter to the fact that the CSM Chairman's position is now about communication and not about leadership. It seems it is beyond your ability to grasp. So adapt or Die.

As I have said before The CSM needs to chose what is right for the game not just some null sec egos.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#168 - 2013-05-03 09:17:24 UTC
"The CSM needs to choose the chair that I would want or else they're just indulging egos ps no nullsec"

So that's runaway ego to start and finished up with a nice dose of idiotic tribalism that nobody but you buys into at all.

Got anything else or are you going to say "Fact is" and then say the same thing structured slightly differently again?

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Frying Doom
#169 - 2013-05-03 09:47:17 UTC
So now we wait.

Will CSM8 do what is good for the CSM or just feed someones ego.

With 10 Null sec egos on the CSM, I am betting the CSM will lose out.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#170 - 2013-05-03 10:03:55 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
"The CSM needs to choose the chair that I would want or else they're just indulging egos ps no nullsec"

So that's runaway ego to start and finished up with a nice dose of idiotic tribalism that nobody but you buys into at all.

Got anything else or are you going to say "Fact is" and then say the same thing structured slightly differently again?

Holy something of someplace, Snow Axe, how do you continue this?
I'd been infected with the dumb long ago.

Anyway, I looked through Frying Dooms posts and carefully picked some letters. I then re-arranged them like this:
Frying Doom wrote:
Halp, I'm locked in my basement, my own fictional null-spiracy has caught me, and I can't intimidate it with a goon-spiracy! HALP!
So now we have all the facts on the table.
What do you think his response will be?

Cool
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#171 - 2013-05-03 13:56:43 UTC  |  Edited by: mynnna
Frying Doom wrote:
Yes Mynnna is brilliant when it comes to the market but beyond that he is lost.


You know, since this isn't directly related to the idea of "me being chair" alone, I'm not breaking my previous promise to say nothing else about chair.

So, I'd like to point out that every single word you wrote after "market" in that sentence is so disgustingly wrong that it's the wrongest thing you have ever posted in your history of being wrong. It's so very wrong that it's only through some inexplicable miracle that the very words contained in that half of the sentence have not, by merely being arranged in that particular combination and order, become so tainted with the wrongness of the statement as a whole that they become wrong in other contexts as well, causing a cascade of wrongness to erupt across the face of the internet and eventually making everything everyone has ever said and will ever say wrong by association.

I suppose given my posting history on eve-o that being "the market guy" is what I am best known for, if someone were to ignore everything else and around half my posts, but if we're to be judged by our a selective reading of our posting history alone, well... if I take a step back and allow myself a moment of honest, unbiased reflection, I know there's more to you than your posting history suggests.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal

Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#172 - 2013-05-03 14:07:39 UTC
I think a sign of a good communicator would be someone who doesn't indulge the lunatic fringe.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal

EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#173 - 2013-05-03 14:29:21 UTC
president obama is a bad communicator because when i wrote a letter to him calling him an infernal kenyan usurper he did not take the time out of his schedule to personally respond
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#174 - 2013-05-03 19:44:21 UTC
Just to keep you up to date,

At the prompting of CCP we are in the midst of a very polite discussion as to who will be saddled with which extra tag and workload.

Names are being bandied about and it is all pretty lowkey. Once we know, we'll let you know but it IS an internal thing and you've had your votes. Now is when we start to show whether you made the right choices or not.

m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)

GallowsCalibrator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#175 - 2013-05-03 20:09:10 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Just to keep you up to date,

At the prompting of CCP we are in the midst of a very polite discussion as to who will be saddled with which extra tag and workload.

Names are being bandied about and it is all pretty lowkey. Once we know, we'll let you know but it IS an internal thing and you've had your votes. Now is when we start to show whether you made the right choices or not.

m



but but but but you can't make such decisions without Frying Doom, Master of CSM and CCP and ahahahahahaha oh god I can't keep this up
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#176 - 2013-05-03 20:11:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Varius Xeral
Agreed, you're probably going to want to run your decision and reasoning by Frying Doom at least once because he posts a lot on this ass-end of a forum that nobody reads.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal

Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#177 - 2013-05-03 20:40:53 UTC
The best part is that even if they fully integrated him into the process for a lark, he'd still lose his **** if they picked anyone other than his choice.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#178 - 2013-05-03 20:51:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Alekseyev Karrde
heh the irony of Frying hemming and hawing about listing people he thinks are poor communicators within yet another thread where he demands for a listing of what CSM's supported the CCP decision to move to STV because he's too lazy to get off his soap box to research or directly talk to anyone like a human.

Frying Doom has a duality within him, on the one hand he has to be the person in the conversation who disagrees. But he also *needs* to be right; in fact it is not compatible with his understanding of the world that he could be wrong. That is why he was the only voice in the crowd angrily defending an avowed racist. That's why no matter how much information comes out suggesting a different conclusion on a given topic than the one he has drawn, he will either ignore that information, move on to another argument, or if unable to do so cite said conflicting information as supporting his original opinion.

To Frying Doom, agreement is weakness. Silence is weakness. Being wrong is weakness. And he can never let anyone else know that about himself.

He's that guy. We've all come to know it over this past year. Don't try to convince him he isn't the star of the show, because he can't even see it's a sideshow at best.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM

Frying Doom
#179 - 2013-05-03 22:39:58 UTC
mynnna wrote:
You know, since this isn't directly related to the idea of "me being chair" alone, I'm not breaking my previous promise to say nothing else about chair.

So, I'd like to point out that every single word you wrote after "market" in that sentence is so disgustingly wrong that it's the wrongest thing you have ever posted in your history of being wrong. It's so very wrong that it's only through some inexplicable miracle that the very words contained in that half of the sentence have not, by merely being arranged in that particular combination and order, become so tainted with the wrongness of the statement as a whole that they become wrong in other contexts as well, causing a cascade of wrongness to erupt across the face of the internet and eventually making everything everyone has ever said and will ever say wrong by association.

I suppose given my posting history on eve-o that being "the market guy" is what I am best known for, if someone were to ignore everything else and around half my posts, but if we're to be judged by our a selective reading of our posting history alone, well... if I take a step back and allow myself a moment of honest, unbiased reflection, I know there's more to you than your posting history suggests.

Yes lets look at some of your non market posts.

Mynnna wrote:
For the record, pay no attention to the fact that he's posting on an obvious alt: this man knows what he's talking about, because he's been there and done that regarding both defensive and offensive sovereignty operations for years.

mynnna wrote:
The original burn jita was actually planned and prepared for well in advance of the whole fanfest fiasco with Mittani, but that doesn't make the revisionist history from pubbies any less hilarious. Lol

mynnna wrote:
Also has the same problem as giving gifts. 50,000 uninformed and thus basically randomized votes has the same effect as those 50,000 not voting, statistically speaking. Might as well not have them vote.

The idea that compulsory voting is just making random votes, so you seem to believe countries like Australia, with compulsory elections have just got random votes, you should also not this is the country they got the STV system from that they used.
Mynnna wrote:
If nerfing jump drive range actually helps smaller groups, wouldn't buffing it harm them instead?

See, we can both play dumb logic tricks with each other's argument.


Or this lovely bit of logic " if I take a step back and allow myself a moment of honest, unbiased reflection, I know there's more to you than your posting history suggests." your unbiased reflection seems to end up reflecting on my posting.

Yes some wonderful examples of communication there but you will go on and on about how I am wrong. Just so you can validate your attempt to use the Chairman's position to inflate your own ego. I love watching people justifying their actions, as I have said before there is what is good for the CSM and what is good for the egos of some Null players.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Frying Doom
#180 - 2013-05-03 22:42:34 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
heh the irony of Frying hemming and hawing about listing people he thinks are poor communicators within yet another thread where he demands for a listing of what CSM's supported the CCP decision to move to STV because he's too lazy to get off his soap box to research or directly talk to anyone like a human.

Frying Doom has a duality within him, on the one hand he has to be the person in the conversation who disagrees. But he also *needs* to be right; in fact it is not compatible with his understanding of the world that he could be wrong. That is why he was the only voice in the crowd angrily defending an avowed racist. That's why no matter how much information comes out suggesting a different conclusion on a given topic than the one he has drawn, he will either ignore that information, move on to another argument, or if unable to do so cite said conflicting information as supporting his original opinion.

To Frying Doom, agreement is weakness. Silence is weakness. Being wrong is weakness. And he can never let anyone else know that about himself.

He's that guy. We've all come to know it over this past year. Don't try to convince him he isn't the star of the show, because he can't even see it's a sideshow at best.

Yes you keep saying I should research who supported the STV, I have and only 3 people have actually said they supported it.

But expecting transparency out of CSM7, not that I can blame you, your actions did lead to 10 Null members being on CSM8

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!