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Frying Doom
#101 - 2013-05-01 14:04:14 UTC
Temba Ronin wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:


CSM8 has a hard time regaining the voters that have been lost, first there is the disaster that was CSM 7

You continually state your opinion as if because you said it it must be so, .... sorry to burst your bubble but the facts do not support you.

The average voter participation in the past 3 CSM elections was 14.33%
The highest percentage was 16.63%
The lowest percentage was 12.12%
the highest about two and one half percent above the average
the lowest about two and one half percent below the average

Nice figures why not answer these 2 simple questions.
Before this elections which way was the trend of percentage of total player base who voted, going?
What did this election do to that trend?

Temba Ronin wrote:
This was made possible by the fact that CSM7 had washed itself clean of most of the drama and worked to get things done. The feeling that we needed revolution to get CCP back on track no longer existed. Players were enjoying the game, the new ships, the expansion upgrades and the crisis had subsided.

We did not need revolution we needed we needed communication and transparency.

It comes down to this - I'd like at least one full term where everything works the way it is supposed to in terms of communication and feedback. - Seleene CSM 6

I've been pushing for more effort here since I got on the CSM almost 2 years ago. I am seriously concerned about the lack of transparency (both to CSM and to the players) being demonstrated by CCP -- quite frankly, using "that's a security issue, we won't talk about it" as an excuse is a load of crap. - Trebor CSM6

I intend to go ahead with my priorities and to make CSM 7 much more open and transparent to the community, which I think was one of the major mistakes of CSM 6. - Two Step CSM 7

They got the communication and transparency from CCP, they just seemed to forget about communication and transparency to the player base.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#102 - 2013-05-01 14:15:00 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:

in addition to everything that's wrong that you've posted (all of it) mynnna usually posted on Corestwo on eveo before he ran for csm.

Corestwo

Total Posts:1661
Market Discussions 55,63% (924 posts)
EVE General Discussion 13,73% (228 posts)
Sell Orders 11,14% (185 posts)

So Still mostly marketing posts, Not posts in here and few in General.

please be clear i did not mean to endorse your incredibly dumb metric for good communicator i just wished to note you were making a basic, obvious factual error

you post oodles in jita park yet i feel confident everyone who was elected to the CSM will agree with me you are a horrible communicator, would be a horrible csm rep, and would be an especially horrible csm officer
Frying Doom
#103 - 2013-05-01 14:21:43 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:

in addition to everything that's wrong that you've posted (all of it) mynnna usually posted on Corestwo on eveo before he ran for csm.

Corestwo

Total Posts:1661
Market Discussions 55,63% (924 posts)
EVE General Discussion 13,73% (228 posts)
Sell Orders 11,14% (185 posts)

So Still mostly marketing posts, Not posts in here and few in General.

please be clear i did not mean to endorse your incredibly dumb metric for good communicator i just wished to note you were making a basic, obvious factual error

you post oodles in jita park yet i feel confident everyone who was elected to the CSM will agree with me you are a horrible communicator, would be a horrible csm rep, and would be an especially horrible csm officer

Considering it is rare for you to compliment anyone not from goonswarm and even rarer for you to compliment anyone not from Null. I will take your opinion as a compliment.

As all I have ever seen you post is what you believe would be good for Goonswarm and Null, never about what would be good for the game. So if you thought highly of me, well there is a disgusting thought.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Temba Ronin
#104 - 2013-05-01 14:22:10 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Temba Ronin wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:


CSM8 has a hard time regaining the voters that have been lost, first there is the disaster that was CSM 7

You continually state your opinion as if because you said it it must be so, .... sorry to burst your bubble but the facts do not support you.

The average voter participation in the past 3 CSM elections was 14.33%
The highest percentage was 16.63%
The lowest percentage was 12.12%
the highest about two and one half percent above the average
the lowest about two and one half percent below the average

Nice figures why not answer these 2 simple questions.
Before this elections which way was the trend of percentage of total player base who voted, going?
What did this election do to that trend?


Easy to answer those two questions.
#1 .... From the numbers i have seen the voting has been trending up, of course only an idiot would assume that would never change.

#2 .... From the numbers i have seen this last election seems to be within the realm of a typical election with no fire breathing candidate and no hot button polarizing issue to push voter turnout up like in the previous election.

Of course i've mentioned numerous other factors but you are looking for someone to blame instead of something to learn so perhaps you are incapable of grasping the total picture.


Power To The Players!

The Best Ship In EVE Online Is "Friendship", Power To The Players!
Frying Doom
#105 - 2013-05-01 14:32:30 UTC
Temba Ronin wrote:

#2 .... From the numbers i have seen this last election seems to be within the realm of a typical election with no fire breathing candidate and no hot button polarizing issue to push voter turnout up like in the previous election.

So then you have the data on this other election that contained " no fire breathing candidate and no hot button polarizing issue to push voter turnout up"

Which election was this.

Also, yes your other factors like USA elections that seem to have made no difference to voter turn out.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Temba Ronin
#106 - 2013-05-01 14:49:01 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Temba Ronin wrote:

#2 .... From the numbers i have seen this last election seems to be within the realm of a typical election with no fire breathing candidate and no hot button polarizing issue to push voter turnout up like in the previous election.

So then you have the data on this other election that contained " no fire breathing candidate and no hot button polarizing issue to push voter turnout up"

Which election was this.

Also, yes your other factors like USA elections that seem to have made no difference to voter turn out.

Well sir if you think fewer voters from the USA seem to have made no difference you are either intellectually challenged or just another dishonest troll. You so desperately want to be right you have no tolerance for facts that do not support your seemingly half baked conclusions. I predicted a reduction in the number of Americans voters and you tried to omit the raw vote numbers that proved my point.

You have no facts that are consistent, you contradict yourself, and your numerous poorly crafted forum posts undermine one of the basic premises of this your latest thread rant, that a lot of posting makes for a good communicator. You sir by your very existence disprove your theory.

I sincerely hope you post with an open mind in the future, lots can be learned if you are honest and don't know it all already.


Power To The Players

The Best Ship In EVE Online Is "Friendship", Power To The Players!
Gelatine
EverBroke Geeks
#107 - 2013-05-01 15:02:21 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
The biggest problem the CSM faces is its image among the playerbase. The fact that CCP decided to come out all for CSM 7, really did not help, they were viewed as CCP sell outs by some and just another bunch of Null sec players by others. If they had come out with a Dev blog like that as well as everything else they did after CSM6, this would be a whole different ball game.


I wonder what percentage of high sec players who bother to post on these forums - it wouldn't surprise me if it was less than 12% of all players. I put it to you that of the 88 percent of players who didn't vote in the CSM elections, the majority are satisfied with the work that the CSM do or just not concerned with voting in a game where they are supposed to be ubermensh (as ubermensh wouldn't spend time voting anyway.) Of course that's a baseless claim; just as baseless as your claims.
Prince Kobol
#108 - 2013-05-01 15:17:18 UTC
Gelatine wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
The biggest problem the CSM faces is its image among the playerbase. The fact that CCP decided to come out all for CSM 7, really did not help, they were viewed as CCP sell outs by some and just another bunch of Null sec players by others. If they had come out with a Dev blog like that as well as everything else they did after CSM6, this would be a whole different ball game.


I wonder what percentage of high sec players who bother to post on these forums - it wouldn't surprise me if it was less than 12% of all players. I put it to you that of the 88 percent of players who didn't vote in the CSM elections, the majority are satisfied with the work that the CSM do or just not concerned with voting in a game where they are supposed to be ubermensh (as ubermensh wouldn't spend time voting anyway.) Of course that's a baseless claim; just as baseless as your claims.



Most people I have spoken to and a lot of posts on the forums consider the CSM full of people null sec peeps who couldn't give a toss about HS sec other then to nerf the hell out of it and see it burn in fire.

They also consider the CSM to be nothing more then a PR stunt to make CCP look good and that they have zero effect on the development of Eve.

For me I do not care where the Chairman plays the game, whether it be HS, Low Sec, Null, WH.

What is important to me is communication.. basically do the the opposite of Seleene and consider that every change regardless where it is made effects the whole game.
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#109 - 2013-05-01 17:45:27 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
The biggest problem the CSM faces is its image among the playerbase. The fact that CCP decided to come out all for CSM 7, really did not help, they were viewed as CCP sell outs by some and just another bunch of Null sec players by others. If they had come out with a Dev blog like that as well as everything else they did after CSM6, this would be a whole different ball game.

...

CSM8 has a hard time regaining the voters that have been lost, first there is the disaster that was CSM 7.

you went from "The CSM is irrelevant because CCP never says anything about them" to "CSM7 are sellouts because CCP is crediting them for their work." But only because it's CSM7, CSM6 that would have made sense and been fine.

Frying Doom showing his bias.

"disaster that was CSM7" That would be Frying Doom showing his character age.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2013-05-01 19:12:20 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
"disaster that was CSM7" That would be Frying Doom showing his character age.


Right up there with "years of null sec lobby groups" I would imagine.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
June Ting
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#111 - 2013-05-01 19:39:12 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
CSM8 has a hard time regaining the voters that have been lost, first there is the disaster that was CSM 7 and then the fact they need to concentrate on that horrible wound in EvE called Null. Even with the new CCP process of working on all sorts of bits all over eve, they will need to push for Null fixes. So they will be perceived as just another Null lobby group.

I personally am glad we have people like Ripard Teg, Mynnna, Malcanis, Ali Aras, Chitsa Jason and James Arget on the CSM but I think someone from Hi-sec would raise both the standing and the PR value of the CSM in the eyes of the players.

Uhh have you forgotten about Mike Azariah?

I fight for the freedom of my people.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#112 - 2013-05-01 19:44:56 UTC
June Ting wrote:
Uhh have you forgotten about Mike Azariah?


This entire thread started with him saying Mike Azariah should be CSM 8 chair, though based only on his living in highsec.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Frying Doom
#113 - 2013-05-01 23:00:15 UTC
June Ting wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
CSM8 has a hard time regaining the voters that have been lost, first there is the disaster that was CSM 7 and then the fact they need to concentrate on that horrible wound in EvE called Null. Even with the new CCP process of working on all sorts of bits all over eve, they will need to push for Null fixes. So they will be perceived as just another Null lobby group.

I personally am glad we have people like Ripard Teg, Mynnna, Malcanis, Ali Aras, Chitsa Jason and James Arget on the CSM but I think someone from Hi-sec would raise both the standing and the PR value of the CSM in the eyes of the players.

Uhh have you forgotten about Mike Azariah?

No I listed the Null people I was happy to have on the CSM but not be chairman.

I also missed Mangala Solaris, another Hi-sec member who would be a good PR chairman.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#114 - 2013-05-01 23:03:03 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
The biggest problem the CSM faces is its image among the playerbase. The fact that CCP decided to come out all for CSM 7, really did not help, they were viewed as CCP sell outs by some and just another bunch of Null sec players by others. If they had come out with a Dev blog like that as well as everything else they did after CSM6, this would be a whole different ball game.

...

CSM8 has a hard time regaining the voters that have been lost, first there is the disaster that was CSM 7.

you went from "The CSM is irrelevant because CCP never says anything about them" to "CSM7 are sellouts because CCP is crediting them for their work." But only because it's CSM7, CSM6 that would have made sense and been fine.

Frying Doom showing his bias.

"disaster that was CSM7" That would be Frying Doom showing his character age.

No I went right from Showing that CSM Members were bitching about lack of communication and transparency, to CSM7 being sell outs, who communicated little wth the playerbase and were as transparent as bricks.

Or would you like to tell me who besides yourself, Two Step and Trebor actually supported the STV, to prove me wrong?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#115 - 2013-05-01 23:05:02 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
June Ting wrote:
Uhh have you forgotten about Mike Azariah?


This entire thread started with him saying Mike Azariah should be CSM 8 chair, though based only on his living in highsec.

Actually No, when I started this thread I was living in Null and with my alts in WHs.

So sorry no cigar for you.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
None ofthe Above
#116 - 2013-05-01 23:31:42 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:
June Ting wrote:
Uhh have you forgotten about Mike Azariah?


This entire thread started with him saying Mike Azariah should be CSM 8 chair, though based only on his living in highsec.

Actually No, when I started this thread I was living in Null and with my alts in WHs.

So sorry no cigar for you.


Dah he wasn't talking about you... oh hell... nevermind. Sheesh.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
Frying Doom
#117 - 2013-05-01 23:33:54 UTC
CSM6 17,766 Americans vote in a ramp up year, 36.88% of the population and cast 36.19% of the vote.
CSM7 22,114 Americans vote in National election year, 35.85% % of subscribers and 37.41% of votes.
CSM8 18,894 Americans vote in the Off Year ramp down.36.25% % of subscribers and 38.01% of votes [/quote]
Lets break this down for you by the difference in % of votes to % of accounts.
CSM6 -0.69%
CSM7 1.56%
CSM8 1.76%

So yes less people from the USA (compared to total subscriber population) voted in CSM5, but the highest difference was actually in CSM8. So making your bell curve idea, based on USA voting in RL total crap.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Temba Ronin
#118 - 2013-05-02 00:51:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Temba Ronin
Frying Doom wrote:
CSM6 17,766 Americans vote in a ramp up year, 36.88% of the population and cast 36.19% of the vote.
CSM7 22,114 Americans vote in National election year, 35.85% % of subscribers and 37.41% of votes.
CSM8 18,894 Americans vote in the Off Year ramp down.36.25% % of subscribers and 38.01% of votes

Lets break this down for you by the difference in % of votes to % of accounts.
CSM6 -0.69%
CSM7 1.56%
CSM8 1.76%

So yes less people from the USA (compared to total subscriber population) voted in CSM5, but the highest difference was actually in CSM8. So making your bell curve idea, based on USA voting in RL total crap.[/quote]


This is what i said earlier .... Sir did you take into consideration that the elections for CSM6 & CSM7 took place in the run up to national elections in the United States of America whose citizens seem to do a disproportionately larger slice of the EVE Online player voting compared to their actual percentage of voters? In both those years the USA had a highly charged political situation, and the CSM8 election took place after a national election what we call the "off year" as in a non-presidential election campaign. Quite frequently "Off Year" election turnout is considerably lower. .....

But perhaps i can make it simpler so you stop trying to find percentages that make you think your point is still valid ..... voting increases as we come into a national election cycle .....
CSM6 has the low end of the number of American voters of the three election cycles we are discussing ......
CSM7 has the high end of the number of American voters of the three election cycles we are discussing again consistent with my hypothesis
CSM8 has a reduced number of American voters, again still consistent with my hypothesis

Is that simple enough for you to understand? Or is anything you don't understand total crap?

But let's take a look at the one of the component parts of the argument you present, CSM7 was supposedly so terrible it made for crap election results because of the smaller percentage of voters that participated, which might mean if CSM9 election voter participation ticks back up and is not in the range you define as crap results, then the results of the current crap election and the CSM8 who is not even seated yet will have created a good election result right?

So if they produce a non-crap election result what will you have to whine about? Now let's hear some more contradictory comments about being transparent and communicative and how you have defined what they should be, and who they should be. Just try to not step on your own tongue so much, although it is quite entertaining to read as you tie yourself in knots.


Power To The Players!

The Best Ship In EVE Online Is "Friendship", Power To The Players!
Frying Doom
#119 - 2013-05-02 04:45:36 UTC
Try reading the pecentages

CSM6 17,766 Americans vote in a ramp up year, 36.88% of the population and cast 36.19% of the vote.
CSM7 22,114 Americans vote in National election year, 35.85% % of subscribers and 37.41% of votes.
CSM8 18,894 Americans vote in the Off Year ramp down.36.25% % of subscribers and 38.01% of votes

Oh I forgot the education system in the USA suck.

Ok first go to Mexico and learn mathematics, then read the percentages.Lol

Bold writing does not make you right by the way.

But yes I know you have to follow the normal, null sec script like so many others. Otherwise people will actually talk about the fact that a Null chairman is just another ego boost over the good of the CSM.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#120 - 2013-05-02 05:31:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Issler Dainze
I propose I be be made Maximum CSM for Life!! I'll sort out the new folks, see who looks to be the most mining friendly and bring in folks like Alex and Hans as needed to get this whole CSM working like it needs to be!

I'll ask CCP to have a Gulfstream biz jet on call for us so we cool kids can go to Iceland as we see fit to school CCP when they step out and when we aren't delivering Eve and Dust awesome we'll use the jet to make sure we all have enough Nonnis to understand how to evolve Eve and Dust.

Seriously, let CSM 8 decide how be to be awesome on their own!! That is my recommendation (OK, I would prefer CSM for life and a biz jet but I'm happy with CSM 8 blowing me away with awesome!)

Let the new folks find their way, you will be very happy with them I bet if you do!!

Issler

(CCP please get consider a biz jet for CSM 7 Nonnis trips!!! We will love you for life!!)