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I don't actually class anyone as crazy unless they reject evidence to something that has been proven completely true. I don't think anyone in this thread is crazy either (except for me, because I am replying to it).

However the fact remains that saying the earth is flat is completely insane in this day and age (and they are a troll regardless of what that tabloid says) where we know irrefutably that the Earth is round. Saying otherwise is either crazy, an attempt at publicity and becoming famous, or simply trying to be opposite to everyone else for the sake of it. There is concrete evidence to show the fact of the earth is round.

In this thread however we have two distinct sides that I don't identify with in either case. One side is defending the actions of CSM7 and you as the other side saying the actions they took lowered voter interest. Personally I don't agree with either one in the case of the election. They could have done more to put the CSM votes out there but they certainly didn't lower interest.

I actually think voting was down for a few reasons, the biggest being how confusing the new system was. It was representative of those who voted, but it turned a lot of people away with how complex it was. The other major reason is that people like Sgurd Battersea are a dime a dozen out there. Most have never heard about the CSM and those who have don't know anything about it. Some of the responsibility falls on the CSM there as mentioned before, but CCP also barely did anything to help that. A mass Evemail that a good portion of the community didn't receive. A devblog in the final hours. Why wasn't that stuff done at the start of the elections? About the only good thing was CCP going into local and spamming, and even that was too little too late.

All in all this topic is getting old for me. We all know how much you disliked CSM7 Frying. Leave it alone now, and start getting ready to run for it next year if you think you can do better. If your platform is any good I'll vote for you because people like you are good for things like this in my opinion.

Agreed Poe

So do you really suspect that the last slate of almost no incumbents wanted as low a turnout of voters as possible? Your position defies both reason and logic.

Of course the candidates running for election wanted as many votes as they could get.

You sir seem to not be in touch with the fundamental fact that this is a game! ..... Getting 12% of a gaming base to vote to send other people to represent them in regard to that game is nothing to scoff at. Some people believe that disagreeable confrontation is the only way to win an argument, while others believe having the best well thought out well communicated solution is the way.

If all you can perceive is threats, and your reaction is to charge the windmills do not be surprised if it is a lonely endeavor.

I look forward to you having some substance in your points of contention in the future and not just more smoke and mirrors.


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CSM6 communicated with the player base, CSM7 did not.

Oh maybe CSM7 were hoarse from CCP cheer leading.

The Mittani was the success, not the chairman title. If The Mittani had no title, he still would have done exactly as he did. The title didn't make him a better CSM representative.

Aha, now we're getting somewhere! And what title did The Mittani hold in CSM 6 and want for CSM 7?

What did his abilities do to the title?

Well, he was only chair the one time, so before. Nice try to deflect though

Suprise, an incoherent response that misses the point entirely!

The point, Frying Doom, is that the titles themselves absolutely can have value in the right hands. You of all people should understand this since you used the inverse to argue that Trebor's failure to update wiki pages or whatever while he was CSM 6 Secretary was proof that nobody should vote for him.



Removed a personal attack. -ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Please enlighten me sir as to the other MMO games that have elections for player representatives annually that have a greater then 12.12% participation. While you are at it would you also let me know what percentage of participation would constitute it no longer being crap?

Sir did you take into consideration that the elections for CSM6 & CSM7 took place in the run up to national elections in the United States of America whose citizens seem to do a disproportionately larger slice of the EVE Online player voting compared to their actual percentage of voters? In both those years the USA had a highly charged political situation, and the CSM8 election took place after a national election what we call the "off year" as in a non-presidential election campaign. Quite frequently "Off Year" election turnout is considerably lower.

Sir there do exist two separate fields of endeavor which are all too often confused, political science and political punditry. Although some opinions can indeed be facts not all opinions are factually based, you sir would do well to learn the difference.


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