Wormholes

Talk about reinventing the wheel jesus H christ.

Put Ice Products in Hauler/Orca go back to POS.

Make POS fuel PI components locally, import only Ice Products, mix at POS.

If you are in a small corp and only have 1-3 towers, you will have plenty of good connections to put an Itty V or even Orca through, lasting you a month or more of fuel. In fact, in everything other than a c4 you will have a direct connection to hisec at least once in a while, so you can safely haul in many months worth of fuel. With haulers in c1-3 or freighter in c5-6.

In a c4 you will also have enough near-secure connections where you have a c4-c3-hisec or similar with no other holes. With proper scouting you are 99% safe in such a chain.

If you are in a larger corp with a lot of towers, you also have a lot of people who can protect you, so it's even less of a problem.

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CMON SON STOP BEING SUCH A PUSS, DRAG THAT ORCA OUT AND MAKE A RUN.

k, i'm done yelling.

I'd rather do 5 jumps through WHs in an orca than a single lowsec jump. In fact I won't do a single lowsec jump, not ever.

When I was living in a C5, we'd get about one random hisec wormhole (D792 when outgoing, don't remember the incoming one as it was much more rare). I'd fill a Charon with fuels and stuff for the trip in, then haul out PI and compressed ore on the return trip.

When we lived in a C2, we'd use an Orca (4 round trips), and sometimes just Deep Space Transports.

Shake off the haters in this thread, op.

It can be nerveracking your first few months fueling a POS in a wormhole. A quick glance at killboards easily shows that transporting assets in/out of higher class wormholes can be risky business even if you're "doin' it right." So, a lot of the responses here seem to shrug off the risks associated with wormhole logistics.

I'm not saying you're screwed and to be scared shitless, but rather indicating that it's much better to have your concerned attitude than an apathetic attitude.

Having the budget is the biggest concern that kept me stresssed in the beginning. Even now with the upcoming ice changes I'm wondering how much my wormhole budget will need to expand. So you should make surenyou have the bank to support all your POS's.

Everyone has their own strategy in keeping their POS fueled. If you're actually going to make your blocks, I recommend building them OUTSIDE the wormhole, and then hauling them in. Someone above recommended hauling in ice, but POS refineries that are worth your while take a gross amount of CPU to operate. Moreover, you can assemble multiple jobs of fuel blocks in empire while in a POS you more than likely only have 1 or 2 slots that require even more CPU/PG.

One thing I'll mention is that you need to factor in the opportunity cost with your fuel production. You can indeed save 40-50m(ish) isk a month for a large POs by building the blocks yourself, but that involves hours of hauling and clicking. Maybe we are lazy, but my corporation straight up bought the fuel and just hauled it in for our first few months. Eventually someone said they wanted to head up the fueling process so we save money now. Anyway, long story short, while it might feel cool making your own fuel from scratch, it's really time consuming. I'd rather run a few WH sites over a few hours a month and pool the isk to buy fuel versus constantly hauling PI crap and ice for days and days. Food for thought!

I might be a hater, but just want to note that Orca is a horrible way to keep your POS supplied. Mass efficiency is just crap.

For those who are slow.. You dont haul in unprocessed ice.. You do PI in the wormhole.. (Buy from corp members) Then haul in the refined ice products to combine with the PI for fuel blocks.. Not haul in ice and refine in the wormhole..

Learn to spaceship..

PS you can get a metric crap shalatta ton of ice products into a wormhole with one freighter. Enough for crap tons of fuel blocks as you mix it with the PI you are making in the hole..

k thanks bye

Yea but who cares unless you've been mining and runnning PI alot. Most holes can fit at least 2 Orcas there and back which should be enough fuel for most corps, and those that it doesn't can generally bring a freighter in their hole. Mass efficiency only matters if you need the hole to stay up for further logistics. Orca's win in time efficiency.

Already explained as a waste of time. You save almost nothing on the hauling and increase the workload.