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Generally do you retaliate?

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1st-Garrentious WispBender
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-05-02 01:26:29 UTC
Cooper Tzash wrote:
In a war situation, if you were been attacked in most areas of space including high would you as an individual or corporation retaliate or would you sit back and let the war deccers enjoy themselves popping everything and then to top it off keep renewing the war?


It is only proper to retaliate once you take into consideration the Gallentean Codex for combat operations. Basically you focus on a scale.

Scale:
Is my ship bigger and more advanced?
Do I have more people at my disposal in which to take the enemy?
Is my current fitting a direct counter to my opposition?
Can I reship if necessary ASAP?

If all these conditions are not met, then you do not fight.
Cooper Tzash
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-05-02 02:05:44 UTC
thanks for the replies and for helping make my mind up, I left the corp.
Tyrell Cadabra
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#23 - 2013-05-02 13:56:40 UTC
It's usually the better decision, although I never leave a corp to magically get rid of them. Alts are fine for not having to care about them. I don't really care about highsec wardeccers. I pay some private mercenaries to feed me intel about TAXU though.

One day that will come in very useful. I can wait a year, or two, or three, I have quite a lot of patience.
Kalihira
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#24 - 2013-05-02 14:08:51 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
If someone declares war on me I don't wait for the enemy to do something... I look for them in the opening hours and shoot first.


this... this is what we are doing with our current war ;-)
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#25 - 2013-05-02 14:35:27 UTC
1st-Garrentious WispBender wrote:


It is only proper to retaliate once you take into consideration the Gallentean Codex for combat operations. Basically you focus on a scale.

Scale:
Is my ship bigger and more advanced?
Do I have more people at my disposal in which to take the enemy?
Is my current fitting a direct counter to my opposition?
Can I reship if necessary ASAP?

If all these conditions are not met, then you do not fight.

This is completely false. The code goes like this:

Can we kill more isk than we'll lose?
If not, do we have enough Derp Atrons available?

Although not on the same level as chatgrus, at least somebody is finally mocking my corp! +1!
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#26 - 2013-05-03 10:35:10 UTC
Tyrell Cadabra wrote:
TAXU

Those people are terrible. One of the least effective mercenary groups hat operate in highsec. Retaliating against them should be no big deal.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-05-03 10:46:02 UTC
we block out the sun with our forum posts

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#28 - 2013-05-03 22:26:16 UTC
On my original character someone from a corporation (Dark Fusion Industries) popped my alt while he was hauling 200mil worth of stuff. (Accidentally dipped into LowSec).

On my main, I joined the account, spent 1 month accumulating trust and roles, and stole their POS's. Made out with like 3 bil of stuff and rubbed it in their faces for months before selling my character and starting over.

So yeah. Didn't read the OP but something about retaliation.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#29 - 2013-05-04 22:33:16 UTC
I go to great lengths to claim my own killrights if the offender frequents hisec. Those, or being at war, are great incentives to actually start using your ISK for meaningfull PVP by protecting your mates and corporate investments, making gankers regret their actions, or leeching kills to make yourself look leet. We just got out of a war where an enemy Bhaalgorn was popped by Blues that had a dec by the same group... in the 24hr period before the war started. Big smile

While the enemy looks better in the war report, we kept them docked, running and logging off by immediately responding to their presence in a given system. We even camped their lowsec HQ a few times. In a 100+ member Alliance, you are bound to have some people who start mining, oblivious of the war going on. Our strategy is to try and minimalize those kills while our PVP element gets their groove on. It's mainly a PVP game, a corp policy to never fight back is just a bad policy IMO.
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#30 - 2013-05-08 12:01:44 UTC
Secret Squirrell wrote:
There are two ways to deal with a wardeccer:

1) Stop feeding them easy kills

2) Make them pay heavily for the kills they do get

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Well... my experience with high-sec war decs (at last count the corp my main belongs to has 14 active decs) is that the aggressors are usually either bitter noobs or casual PVP corps/alliances with farily loose discipline.

Therefore making them "pay heaviliy" isn't really in the cards. You might be able to corner one or two of them at a time but they don't form real fleets and there's literally (in my experience) no way to get them to go balls deep on anything no matter how big of a carrot you hang in front of their nose.

Wh*res in space are a classic example. They'll happily camp a station all day and take the easy kills but as soon as you show any kind of coordination they scatter like cockroaches in the light, dock up and suck their thumbs until you go away.

So realistically the only option left is #1. Just avoid them.


Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#31 - 2013-05-09 01:47:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
I'm getting the impression that your experience of highsec wars consists entirely of being part of a non-highsec entity that has had war declared on it by people that want to camp trade hubs and that even that experience isn't exactly extensive.

You know how I can tell? Nobody camps a station if they intend to actually fight anything or if their opponent engages in any kind of substantive activity in highsec, after all there are no belts in Jita and neither missions, anoms or wormholes spawn there.

If you actually try and fight a highsec PVP corp or alliance that actually operates against other highsec entities you'll find that the second you show up to try and shoot them suddenly there are vindicators, Bhaalgorns and guardians everywhere and you just blew up.

It's also a fallacy if you think you can't inflict significant losses on a highsec PVP entity, it's just not true. The larger an entity is and the more wars it has the less likely individuals are to be paying attention to exactly what they are fighting, additionally the individual members regularly fly super expensive things around, often with little regard for their own safety because the defenders in wars tend to be so utterly passive.

Case and point: Whores in space, a large, trade hub camping mercenary alliance declared war on my alliance, a smaller, non trade hub camping mercenary alliance. On the first day of the war we killed a 8 billion isk navy megathron on the Jita 4-4 undock. The only reason that was possible was the total complacency of the members of the aggressor corporation. Moreover many members in those corps engage in side activities that result in them being in situations where they are absurdly vulnerable, such as suspect baiting where characters will often be aggressed to something in a multi-billion isk faction battleship for several minutes.

The current climate in highsec is one where you simply don't expect anyone you declare war on to actually try and shoot you back, so people just hunt missioners and miners and camp trade hubs. A mining OP is a more likely activity for a corp to engage in while at war than putting together a combat fleet.

There are buckets and buckets of opportunities for defenders in wars, particularly where the aggressor is very large and has predictable and unfocused methods of operation, to inflict really embarrassing losses on the aggressors without risking very much but they are so utterly convinced that nothing they can do will work or that it is not worth trying because [REASONS] that they're unwilling to take victories that are practically being handed to them.

That is what those people who sit on undocks in tornadoes or on gates in interceptors rely on. If their war targets (of whom there are often thousands) even attempted to do anything they wouldn't be able to operate that way.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#32 - 2013-05-12 17:26:54 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Relevant comments.


I say, why did you shave your eyebrow off when you got that mono? It looks like your face is melting.

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