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Discrepancy in latest trailer about EVE wh vs EVE gate?

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Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
#1 - 2013-04-29 02:25:54 UTC
My understanding from the original PF was that the EVE wormhole was found, humans built giant stargates at either end, the WH collapsed as it was expected to, leaving the gates at either end to keep up the traffic. But then for reasons unknown the giant stargate in the New Eden system *blew up* all splody like, and that was the disaster.

But we are shown something a bit different in the latest trailer (which overall IS awesome btw).

Is this a retcon? Or just a simplification for dramatic purposes?
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#2 - 2013-04-29 03:58:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Commissar Kate
The voice over in the trailer said that the Eve gate blew up and it showed the wormhole collapsing.


The debris that is shown after the wormhole collapse could the be remains of the Eve Gate but its hard to tell. It does seem like they simplified the story a bit, the 4 factions were not even mentioned by name.

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Marcus Gord
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#3 - 2013-04-29 11:16:53 UTC
As I remember it, the giant gates themselves imploded due to instability with the wormhole. The massive dangerous storms around the eve gate itself is due to the wormhole still being there, but highly unstable, with the storm possibly even coming through from the other side.

The storms and instability would rip a ship apart if it tried to get too close.

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CCP Eterne
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#4 - 2013-04-29 12:24:48 UTC
The official lore is that the EVE Gate was built to hold the wormhole open past the end of its natural lifespan and due to *stuff* the wormhole collapsed catastrophically and took the EVE Gate with it.

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Marcus Gord
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#5 - 2013-04-29 12:32:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Gord
CCP Eterne wrote:
The official lore is that the EVE Gate was built to hold the wormhole open past the end of its natural lifespan and due to *stuff* the wormhole collapsed catastrophically and took the EVE Gate with it.


Is that the scientific term for it? 'Due to *stuff*' ? Lol

Also, what's that light in the eve gate system? Am I right in my memory that the wormhole is still kind of there?

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Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
#6 - 2013-04-29 12:45:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Faulx
source: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Interstellar_travelling#Where_Do_We_Come_From.3F

Where Do We Come From? wrote:
The New Eden system is an enigma that is still very much a mystery to us. The system itself is not that impressive—just some space debris and a few asteroid belts orbiting a pale white dwarf. But at the outskirts of the system is a phenomenon that has puzzled us for centuries. At the center of this phenomenon lies a huge structure, obviously built by some advanced civilization eons ago. The structure looks very much like a jump gate, except it is many times bigger than any space structure of ours. The gate is fairly plain all around, but there are markings here and there, in some ancient language that has not been fully decrypted. At the top, the largest of these markings is a three-letter word that says 'EVE'. There isn't full agreement among scholars about the meaning of this word, but most people regard it to be simply the name of the gate.


Sounds like the gate wasn't totally destroyed to me, otherwise the game wouldn't have a name. Smile

Also...

source: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/EVE_Gate

Eve Gate Lore Article wrote:
Although located three light-years from New Eden's star, the gate can be seen as a bright 'blob' in the sky.

So, since the Eve Gate is 3 lightyears away from New Eden, the planet immediately visible on the other side of the gate is a little.... "off" (what's it orbiting?), unless the wormhole has drifted quite a bit or it orbits another star 3 light-years out from New Eden.

You'll also note in the video a new (i.e. old) type of jump gate in operation above a planet, a Terran gate design perhaps? It seems unlikely this is the Eve Gate given that the video shows a wide shot of the blast wave from the gate collapse and there's no planet to be seen.

Edit:
Also... There's still some sources citing a wormhole collapse during gate construction.

source: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/A_Beginner%27s_Guide_to_EVE_Online#-_THE_STORY (I'm pretty sure this is CCP posting)

Aura wrote:
Then out of nowhere and without prior warning, one of most tragic events in human history came to be. The Wormhole bridging New Edan and Earth's Solar System collapsed. With the EVE Gate still under construction and the workers now lacking the necessary resources and communication to complete it, the population of New Edan fell in to despair and so began the era of the Dark Age. Data 011001011 - Paused

I particularly like the typo "Edan".

... I believe there's several others places in the lore that say that the wormhole collapsed (or was fluctuating/becoming unstable), which caused them to build the gates to stabilize the opening. The gates worked for 70 years and then the wormhole became unstable again, pouring out radiation (not exploding) which made it impossible to even approach. Sadly, I can't remember where those references are. :P

*Edit 2:
I think I found what I was thinking of:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2504853#post2504853
http://pcmovies.ign.com/pc/document/eve_050903_004.pdf (page 2)
It's allegedly a quote from the original book that came with the game. It's all that really old lore that's hard to scrub clean.
Quote:
Suddenly, the scientists' worst fears were realized and the wormhole closed. Nonetheless, construction continued and the gates of EVE opened and operated perfectly for seven decades. Disaster struck once again. An unexplained phenomenon engulfed the Gates of EVE, rendering them inoperable. Restoration efforts proved futile due to the malevolent magnetic storm perpetually surrounding the gates. The results were swift and devastating. The fledgling settlements found themselves cut off from the old world, on which they were still heavily dependent.
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#7 - 2013-04-29 13:58:53 UTC
Faulx wrote:
source: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/A_Beginner%27s_Guide_to_EVE_Online#-_THE_STORY (I'm pretty sure this is CCP posting)


That is not written by CCP.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#8 - 2013-04-29 14:21:49 UTC
Faulx wrote:
Also...

source: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/EVE_Gate

Eve Gate Lore Article wrote:
Although located three light-years from New Eden's star, the gate can be seen as a bright 'blob' in the sky.

So, since the Eve Gate is 3 lightyears away from New Eden, the planet immediately visible on the other side of the gate is a little.... "off" (what's it orbiting?), unless the wormhole has drifted quite a bit or it orbits another star 3 light-years out from New Eden

This part can be kind of be explained with star drift (every star out there is not stationary, but rather moves at its own pace relative to everything else around it). Even the EVE gate itself could be subject to this.
The real question would be if both the star and the EVE gate could feasibly put 3 light years between each other in a mere 20,000 years or so (the time between the EVE gate collapse and now).

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Enya Sparhawk
Black Tea and Talons
#9 - 2013-04-29 22:33:45 UTC
Stupid *stuff*, You always know how to ruin a good time don't you?

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#10 - 2013-04-30 01:28:58 UTC
So, do I understand correctly that with the wormhole at 3ly from New Eden, no evacuations happened in the 3 year head start the colonists had? The chap on the planet appeared to be surprised to see the apocalypse.

Did the explosion somehow go ftl? Or did the writers forget about this?

Also the Gate is still there so the explosion can't have been that significant.

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Naomi Hale
#11 - 2013-04-30 06:32:38 UTC
I always got the impression from the Novels (by the wonderful Tony Gonzales) that the 'Significance' (Marcus' yet unseen capital R&D Amarr ship) was cloaked at Point Genesis in Empyrean Age to protect Marcus from Sarum reading his thoughts.

Then Grious moved it away to the New Eden system in Templar One to send his message.

And wasn't there a line at the end of the Empyrean Age about "The Eve Gate was Angry." If the wormhole is closed and took the structure with it what was Grious referring to?

I always hoped to one day see the Eve gate, the single biggest human made structure in the history of the universe, but it's gone?

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Tykari
The Observatory
#12 - 2013-05-01 17:27:29 UTC
Yes I have to admit that I was a little dissapointed it didn't make an appearance in the trailer. though I'm thrilled we at least get to see some Terran ships and structures. Makes me wonder if we might find ruined Terran gates in exploration sites as well aside from the broken ships.

Of course considering how they omitted the Jove as the fifth empire in the trailer and I imagine it may have been to keep things as simple and as short for convenience. The gate also collapses into nothing, while we know there is still a significant disturbance visible.

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Naomi Hale
#13 - 2013-05-01 19:55:02 UTC
If it's really gone then someone better tell the Sisters...

Sisters of Eve

I'd hate to be the one to tell them the thing they worship has been gone for about 20,000 years. That's the kind of thing you check before starting a religion.

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Caroline Grace
Retrostellar Boulevard
#14 - 2013-05-01 21:04:27 UTC
Naomi Hale wrote:
I always got the impression from the Novels (by the wonderful Tony Gonzales) that the 'Significance' (Marcus' yet unseen capital R&D Amarr ship) was cloaked at Point Genesis in Empyrean Age to protect Marcus from Sarum reading his thoughts.

Then Grious moved it away to the New Eden system in Templar One to send his message.

And wasn't there a line at the end of the Empyrean Age about "The Eve Gate was Angry." If the wormhole is closed and took the structure with it what was Grious referring to?

I always hoped to one day see the Eve gate, the single biggest human made structure in the history of the universe, but it's gone?


EVE Gate artwork

Not an official artwork, but still cool. Gives some kind of visualisation and thanks to the Titan there also some sense of scale.

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LockOnStratus
Pensacola2022
#15 - 2013-05-01 21:51:32 UTC
Someone really should have carried out a better risk assessment in regards to the gate collapsing, they didn't seem to have a very good plan B.
Tykari
The Observatory
#16 - 2013-05-02 18:26:13 UTC
Caroline Grace wrote:
Naomi Hale wrote:
I always got the impression from the Novels (by the wonderful Tony Gonzales) that the 'Significance' (Marcus' yet unseen capital R&D Amarr ship) was cloaked at Point Genesis in Empyrean Age to protect Marcus from Sarum reading his thoughts.

Then Grious moved it away to the New Eden system in Templar One to send his message.

And wasn't there a line at the end of the Empyrean Age about "The Eve Gate was Angry." If the wormhole is closed and took the structure with it what was Grious referring to?

I always hoped to one day see the Eve gate, the single biggest human made structure in the history of the universe, but it's gone?


EVE Gate artwork

Not an official artwork, but still cool. Gives some kind of visualisation and thanks to the Titan there also some sense of scale.


Hey, that one looks familiar. :P

And I guess we were just overconfident in thinking it either wouldn't collapse or we'd find a different way of getting once it did, otherwise it really seems silly for us to have started colonies on worlds that weren't really fit to support live and such. I'm rather surprised there was so very little effort done in getting nearly self-sustaining colonies up and running right from the start. But then that might have been a way for the powers of those days to keep control of the newly colonised planets.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#17 - 2013-05-02 19:39:19 UTC
Naomi Hale wrote:
I always got the impression from the Novels (by the wonderful Tony Gonzales) that the 'Significance' (Marcus' yet unseen capital R&D Amarr ship) was cloaked at Point Genesis in Empyrean Age to protect Marcus from Sarum reading his thoughts.

Then Grious moved it away to the New Eden system in Templar One to send his message.

And wasn't there a line at the end of the Empyrean Age about "The Eve Gate was Angry." If the wormhole is closed and took the structure with it what was Grious referring to?

I always hoped to one day see the Eve gate, the single biggest human made structure in the history of the universe, but it's gone?



The Eve gate has been destroyed, but the ruins are still there....

Though, also the wormhole itself could be referred to as "The EVE Gate"

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Untanas Volmyr
Perkone
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#18 - 2013-05-02 20:06:48 UTC
Well if the eve gate was meant to sustain the wormhole past its lifespan. Was its failure do to a lack of understanding how you would successfully sustain a wormhole. Or. Was it sabotaged?

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Tykari
The Observatory
#19 - 2013-05-02 21:00:08 UTC
Untanas Volmyr wrote:
Well if the eve gate was meant to sustain the wormhole past its lifespan. Was its failure do to a lack of understanding how you would successfully sustain a wormhole. Or. Was it sabotaged?


Well in the story as it was, the EVE and ADAM (Earth side) Gates were in operation for a few decades apparently before things went kaput, so sabotage certainly isn't something I'd rule out. On the other hand the EVE wormhole doesn't seem to be your typical run of the mill wormhole so who knows, maybe there were some things about the whole thing we didn't know or expect.

Personally my money has always been on either it having been a malicious act, or that the EVE wormhole was cyclical in nature. It emerges, stays opens, collapses, takes time to rebuild itself, opens up, etc. And when we plonked two massive gates at that exact spot and kept an artificial connection open, the next cycle overcharged/overloaded those gates resulting in the massive gravimetric and electromagnetic storm that has crippled and marred spacetime there forever. The EVE gate and it's counterpart were essentially insanely oversized stargates with a lot of more power behind them to bridge that distance.

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Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-05-03 09:40:58 UTC
I remember a GM statement in the forum, that the EVE Gate collapse, reacting with the jump gate network in new Eden, sending a shockwave along the network destroying the gates connected.
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