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Actually, yes. The Mittani used to be a miner before his start of darkness, to abuse a Trope. Fixing tech and nullsec industrialism was one of the things he pushed for as CSM chairman.

You literally have no clue what you are talking about.

How about for once you back up your paranoid ramblings with some actual evidence?

There is a difference between role playing and type casting....

While I still agree with what I wrote, the predominant message (quite unfairly summarized for humor's sake) of my opponents in this and the dev blog forum thread summarizes to something like this:

Liz, you ignorant ****!

What did you think would happen when you voted for null-sec CSMs? We wanted stuff, and we're getting stuff.

This isn't about flogging high-sec to null sec, we would never do that to our support staff that pays real money to work for us.

This is about getting the stuff we want, and this is only the beginning.

And just between you and me, Liz, when we finally *do* decide to pressgang high-sec, you'll bloody well freaking know it!

The problem with your post is that Lizardmen are real and only tinfoil shaped hats can counter their influence. Otherwise i agree :) ,.

I think the intent is to make Null work so those who want to live there, but cannot get the numbers to work, will now be able to live there. There was some old dev post I cannot find that said that. Something like

"We are not trying to force people into null. We know there are players who will never leave high sec and we are fine with that. What we want is to help the player who wants to live in low or null but does not because he cannot make the numbers work".

Whats wrong with your census: It does not show if a movement to null was due to players being forced out, or because of the release of pent-up demand for Null.

Personally, I think all areas of the game should be viable and fun for those who wish to live there.

All this kicking and screaming because 0.0 mining and industry will become somewhat less disadvantaged compared to hi-sec is as predictable as it is amusing. Could someone drop me an evemail if anyone in these threads actually comes up with some solid numbers or reasoning as to how, exactly, hi-sec players will be "pressganged" into 0.0? That would be most kind.


Thanks in advance,


NB: Maundering about "nullsec cabals" "gankers" and "nullbears" do not count as either. Don't message me for those.

Sure. As soon as high-sec gets R-64 moon-goo. :-)

ok, just being cheeky there. I'm a sov-warfare fan who started the game as a high-sec industrialist, and when I'm out in null, I *too* have failed multiple times to make the numbers work.

But while I was failing to make the numbers work, my corporations were paying me for all my sov warfare losses with isk derived from moon-goo and some of those corps STILL had enough left over to offer free carriers to anyone who'd train for them.

I know there are adjustments to moon-goo in Oddysey and more in the works, but let's not cry too hard for poor null-sec (as a whole). It might soon be more pleasant to be a null-sec industrialist, and I'll surely give it another try when I develop enough RL leisure to return to null-sec, but you spoke of imbalances, and null-sec moon-goo has historically been the most imbalancing difference between null-sec and high sec.

I was kind of ok with letting that imbalance employ high-sec industrialism.

Null, DEFINITELY needs something to fight over, though. I'm just not sure that PASSIVE income should be that something. But given human nature... :-)

Yes. I find shooting at structures rather calming, sort of like mining, but punctuated by cyno fleets suddenly interrupting you.

Given a choice between a roam and shooting structures, I'll choose shooting structures. You're more likely to get a fight, and if you don't, you've at least punished the bastards for their cowardice.

That being said, though, the best time I ever had was THUNDERDOME where we had opponents who'd frequently roam us and we'd roam them and we didn't attack each other's structures. But that only works if both sides are more into fighting than grinding to fatten their individual wallets, which isn't teribly common, though with the crazy value of moon-goo it has long been viable for 2 sides to do that.

Loners and risk adverse manbabies don't belong here. Who cares where they go or for what reason as long as they get to click a button and receive bacon while making believe they are Capt. Picard they will be happy.