EVE General Discussion

You're the ones whining. I'm not the one behaving disrespectfully and making condescending remarks because someone posted something I didn't agree with about a video game, of all things.

Certain people (I assume you are one) are angry (for no reason) and you are trying to deflect. What message were you trying to convey in your post? "I know you are, but what am I"?

Oh, this guy is going to be FUN.

Mag sites, even in high sec present a nice concentration of salvage, and yes even in high sec they can give you T2 salvage. The high end sites in high sec are easily worth the time, and that value only goes up as you go to low sec and 0.0. Of course being part of exploration it also currently can be very random and potentially have cruddy payouts.

Grav sites provide not only for allowing low sec ores in high sec, but also for allowing you to find ores that aren't present in certain racial regions. Likewise low sec grav sites can have 0.0 ores.

Wormholes don't just lead to Anoikis. Wormholes that cut across to the other side of the galaxy can be rather lucrative in and of themselves for providing trade opportunities as well as allow you, the explorer, to explore a whole other region you might not explore otherwise. I can't tell you how many times I used a wormhole in high sec to pop into areas of low sec or 0.0 for a day of exploring in those areas.

Ladar sites are indeed extremely rare in high sec and ladars in known space are used for booster production. That can be an amazingly profitable business if you know what you are doing. Sure, it's "just another kind of mining" but if you want to get technical so are missions. Some people pop asteroids, some people pop gas clouds, some people pop red crosses, and some people pop other people. All are valid pursuits regardless of if anyone else doesn't like them.

Radar sites can be some of the most profitable sites out there for their relative time and manpower investments, and while I'm not 100% on the upcoming changes with Odyssey if the change of making sure each can has loot in it guaranteed is true, then that is something to be happy about. Very few things in EVE are worse than empty cans.

You didn't even touch on anomalies or combat signatures, which are perfectly valid and profitable options for explorers as well. As a month old player you most likely aren't going to be able to do a 4/10 complex on your own, plain and simple. But the potential rewards are nice enough that working with a friend is still profitable, and once again that all scales up as you get into low sec and 0.0.

Now then, if you are going to call someone out on being rude and condescending to you because you think differently than they do, it seems pretty obvious that you should be able to look back at your original post and see that your statements of worth regarding various activities and sites are exactly the sort of thing you are decrying. Calling certain activities worthless can reasonably lead to the assumption that you also think the people that do those activities are stupid. Doesn't matter if you intended that or not, if they thought you were being rude and condescending in your original post that sort of validates a rude response. Of course, the whole idea that there are ever "valid reasons" to be disrespectful is sketchy from the get go. If there are valid reasons for it...it isn't really disrespectful, it's just the appropriate response.

I get that you don't want to mine or you don't want to pop into wormholes or scoop up salvage or run combat sites. But just think about how much you are hemming yourself in by limiting yourself to such a tiny window of activities. By just doing radar sites you are literally doing only 1/5th of Exploration and arguably only even bothering to compete for 1/5th of the potential ISK from Exploration. Keep in mind that Hacking is considered a mini-profession that is part of the wider profession of Exploration.

That's an understatement, it all most seems like he's learned nothing at all about the game. I'm surprised he's even capable of scanning anything period.

We'll call him George, and hug him and squeeze him and never let him go.

I can't believe the guy really. Pretty astonishing is it not ?

We need some Goonies to grief him out of the game, methinks, if he thinks THIS is bad. Just wow.

As has been stated many times over,

All of your conclusions are wrong. While I feel there is nothing in the next expansion other than "Polish" and "Tweak" and wonder what the blazes CCP is spending their money on (Oh wait, *looks at dust. monuments and a vita application that no one wants) I see the merit in a lot of this polish and tweak. I only want exploration to be building star-gates and exploring brand new star systems, building civilization, etc. Bitter old vet syndrome I have.

Anyway,
Pretty much every single point you made was wrong, and you are sorely misinformed about exploration and what the changes can do for new and old players alike. For someone so new who is also in the uni, you should have spoken with your instructors about this before coming on the forums.
-DR

The panties. They are bunched so hard.

"Everyone else is obviously just a buncha meanies and I'm right about everything"

You're on a roll OP, please continue.

They're changing it so that the radar sites won't require combat ships anymore, which is a BUFF to exploration.

And while I can't confirm this, my understanding/theory of the new system is that for solo players, your profits won't change. Meanwhile, if you or I bring our friends along to explore WITH us, it's no longer a waste of time and a huge cut to profits. Overall, an interesting change as far as I'm concerned.

Maybe he's a politician.