Warfare & Tactics

We do understand how to do it. We have done what you are doing. What we are saying is that its stupid and we realize that its wrong and are asking for change.

Yup, I misswrote that regarding the offensive plex Lp increase. It only regards missions. The reason why I wrote that mistakenly is that i havent plexed since last October, the last Gallente big lp-dump to Tier 5, so this proves you how much of a plexer I am.

Which doesnt change a thing to my opinion. There is no current incentive of flipping systems to a complete blue map. So tell me, what is the incentive of gaining map dominance?

What I understand is that Gall/Caldari and Amar/Minm Fw space are very different. I should have defined that I was speaking of my home space, gallente warzone, where T2 is resilient since many weeks. You're right 225% mission Lp sounds amazing, but as it seems, no one appears to care about it in Gall/Cald space. Apparently everyone turns to Minmatar zone to run missions, thus creating this unbalance between warzones.

You're right, I have little knowledge of minmatar warzone, I can only tell you that if you're looking for honorable combat, you should come reside in Placid/Black rise, where you wont have to wait more than 5 minutes to be engaged, and thus forget your pains and misery, and all this sufering of yours will seem far away in our beloved homespace. Change sides. Gall/Cald to die with honor, Min/amar for the pocket money. There, your problem is solved. Now get off the forums, leave your corporation and join Moira.

The gallente are just as bad as minmatar for rabbit plexing. In general the 2 fronts are about the same for "honorable combat." Gallente does a bit more gatecamping than the minmatar or amarr but thats about it.

Everyone pretty much acknowledged that runnign rabbit alts in pve ships is the way to win/hold over 90% of the space in the current mechanics. Can we not even agree that ccp should do something to make the game better?

Can we not agree that the game is awesome and FacWar is a lot better than in the past?


As a matter of fact you know what? I have a solution. My previous dialog with Rommell Drako has led me to the following; why dont we just agree that Minmatar space is farming ground, and Gall/Caldari where the money is spent on war. We all tacitly agree that one space remains our money mill, the other our field of battle.

away with the phonecalls

Putting your hand in your pocket and pulling out dog **** is better then pulling out horse ****... Still sucks that you pulled **** out of your pocket...

Why are you one of those people that is willing to settle with subpar? Excell and push yourself for something better. (and push ccp)

When cross plexing vp is not included you can't get an accurate picture.

But that said I will admit that my individual observations are anecdotal so it may be that caldari has more rabbit plexers than gallente and minmatar. It really doesn't matter which militia has more. The problem is rabbit plexing is the best way to win the war.

FW sov is still a broken pve race.

There are more people in fw low sec and so there is more pvp. So yes eve as a whole is better, we can agree on that. I also agree that plex pvp is awesome.

Again there is very little difference between the two warzones as far as finding pvp in the plexes. Same mechanics yield the same game play.

If you want caldari gallente space to be an actual warzone then do timer rollbacks and allow the players to have real time intel where complexes are being captured so they can go and fight for every plex.

If we did that in one of the warzones, we would indeed see that one is full of rabbits and the other is full of pvp. The problem is you won't be able to convince your gallente friends to allow their rabbit plexing alts to be nerfed.

Here´s another try at this discussion...

1. No, FW is not perfect and far from it. It is however MUCH better than it ever was in the past, and CCP has done a great job in the past iterations. Does it need fixing? for sure (as everything in Eve. I mean come on look at Nullsec and count your blessings) but it´s not "broken".

2. That some -or even many- people come to post threads about FW being broken doesn´t mean it is, because their opinion is not that of all the people playing the FW game. On the flip side, if people came here to post threads about how it´s perfect, they would also be wrong to generalize their own particular and personal opinion and try to impose it on others.

3. If you have problems holding on to your systems, instead of yelling at ccp and calling them "scared bitches"... have you really stopped to consider yelling at the many many amarr that have minmatar plexing alts and are thus ******* you over? if yo have problem holding on to systems because the alt plexers come plex it up when you are not online, have you considered recruiting for that particular problematic tz and or talking to corps on that problematic timezone and getting them to move and help defend the system?

Have you stopped to think that there are so many Amarr (and caldari and some gallente too) corps and alliances that live in highsec or non fw lowsec that if they moved into their own FW system they might easily hold it down thus helping raise the tier status for the whole militia? and that those corps could also share intel channels and help each other out?

Note that these are all PLAYER actions that can influence the warzone without whining to CCP about it. Now if you want to whine and cry about the need for a timer rollback and maybe corp LP tax yeah sure I¨ll be holding signs and shooting structures in Jita right there with you.

Maybe that just not possible on the minmatar/amarr front, I am not familiar with the area, but it seems to work for some caldari corps and it certainly works for Gallente corps. Hell, there are even Amarr corps defending their systems right now.

You say faction warfare is "broken" when CCPs own numbers show there are more fights happening, more stuff getting blown up. I say faction warfare is a mechanic created to do just that: give people the chance to duke it out in losec, and from that particular point of view, I´d say it´s working.

Just because your particular experience is ****** up do not pretend to impose it on others, nor build strawmen about us being interested in keeping it that way and being full of isk. If anything, Gallente has less systems to plex since the squids have been laying down for a bit, and thus less isk.

It is perhaps inevitable that we will find ourselves kicked out of our home systems. Faction Warfare has gone thru cycles since it started, with one side being dominant and then getting kicked in the nuts. Gallente spent months not too long ago at Tier 1, and we are barely into t2. You won´t hear us bitching about it tho, because even if we ARE kicked out of our home systems, it´ll be fighting and having tons of fun in the current imperfect in need of fixing but also great version of Faction Warfare.

FW is better, sure. i'm getting more fights than before, and since FW is supposed to be 'warfare', that's a good thing. but philospophically speaking, having a cell phone was better than 'before', when not having one was the norm.

ofc, everyone knew that battery life was a problem, so companies rushed to fix it. having one with a longer battery life was better than having one with a shorter.

then compaines realized digital was better than cellular, so digital networks and phones were rushed to market. because having a phone that had digitized information was better than one without.

and when done, everyone knew that weight and size were problems, so companies rushed to fix that. having lighter, smaller, phones vs heavier ones... now that was a great improvement.

and ofc, everyone knew that more capable phones were better still, so companies rushed to make them. having a phone that's smart is better than one that is stupid.

iow saying FW is better than before has become moot. better than "X" is known not variable. you may say it's unfortunate, or inconvenient, or uncomfortable, or unwanted. but there it is.

'better' than now is what's relavant. what is being done now to make it better? make a relavant argument, else remain irrelavant.