Warfare & Tactics

So first I say "Choose an idea already CCP, there are tons of ideas to choose from" and the critics response is "what ideas, don't come in here and provide no details for your plan"

Then I suggest we start writing all ideas in here and its now, "Don't we already have enough ideas to go on?"

FFS, Is there any intelligence left playing EVE or at least posting on our forums?

Timers in empty plexes count back to zero. If a friendly pilot is in plex it counts back to zero at x2 speed.
No stabs inside a FW plex. Cannot activate a gate. Or cannot run timer.
Ships with cloaks fitted cannot run timers, regardless if the cloak is active, inactive, online or offline.
Possibly tone down the tier system. Or tone down the base level of LP for plexing.

These are the baseline ideas. There are some other ideas like restricting ship class for counting the timer, which i really dont like. It will just encourage far more camps.

No
Reason. PvP'ers also fight in and for plexes. No need for knee jerks. If i get kicked out of a plex with 1m left because the wt is in a ship i dont want to fight with my current ship/fit. I would like time to go and refit / reship without the entire timer resetting. Your method could simply lead to a small group of guys kicking every solo plexer (farmer or not) out of every plex they can warp to. Instantly resetting the timers in all of them. Its just a terribad idea.

Good point on the venture though.

All of this is pretty much the general consensus on these forums and with most players I know.

The only one I think is crap is this suspect flag for entering a plex if you are neutral. Seriously you are in low sec. If a neut enters then you make the choice attack and take the sec hit (if he's above -5 sec) or let him engage first so you don't take a sec hit. Just like everyone else in eve.

But pretty much FW has had it's big makeover for now so like it or lump it as other areas of eve are in more dire need of attention.

Well, the person is willingly moving into a conflict zone with an ongoing war .. doubt troops in Baghdad simply ignored everyone not in uniform .. actually, since plexes are military installations the comparison would probably be better if instead of Baghdad one used <-insert FOB name-> and had a random civilian wander through the gate.

At any rate, they are making security status laughably insignificant so does it really matter whether or not a militia member takes a ~0.5% hit or however small it is?

Have to agree, the complaint is that the farmers time under the current system is worth a lot more than those who would do him harm .. steady roll-back pace 1:1 is the only way it would have any meaning .. otherwise defensive work becomes a matter of running hit squads (read: blobs) against o-plexers with zones becoming static.
One might argue that if the defender stays on beacon after chasing off an attacker he get a 1.5-2x modifier until damage from o-plexer is undone but not sure it is needed .. LP/hr will go down like a 5$ prostitute which in itself will discourage a lot of the alt-farming (many are paying the extra accounts with plex through plexing).

Stabs: Why arbitrarily deny access based on fit? Just have the DED spaces nullify the beneficial effects (WC strength) of the stabs without affecting the detrimental effects (sensor hit) and Bob's your cross-dressing uncle. Make it all DED spaces, Eve wide, applicable in high-sec missions, incursions, null spawned instances the works and everyone gets to have funny pictures of Bob!
Cloaks: Actually a decent idea to make cloak use an exercise in futility without denying the use of it .. might even be better than my slot machine decloak field, but cannot in good conscience officially say that someone had a better solution than I so will leave it at that

WTF... This is what happends when you have carebears having pvp as a methode to make isk. A ******* clusterfuck... Want to pvp but it must be free and profitable and with as less risk as possible. ******* pafhetic carebears, discusting... In null-Sec it is a isk sing were some ppl lose billions a week without gaining isk out of it.

Lowsec should allow only hic bubbles to be active and ditch the sec hits and all problems are solved.

To cosmo: Welcome to the endgame of EVE, where all your friends left due ccp failure and you soon only log in to skill up, make some epic isk with patch speculation and cant even be botherd to undock anymore.

And you are right, problem is that those people are about as common honest marketing, you know it exists but it disappears in the flood of crap. Auto-run timers might not be able to stop the flood, which it shouldn't in any case (free to do whatever), but it should be able to give the honest folk a chance to influence their own environment .. at present that just can't happen.
Alternative is to reduce possible LP from plexing to a level so low that it is not possible to do them exclusively, pay for an account and still get a profit .. but at this point that option is no longer on the table, CCP has to ride the ****-storm whenever they meddle with peoples wallets and they have been doing their damnedest to placate the masses since the last storm raged. Could be of course that they are recharging batteries to be able to ride that baby, but then it will probably be associated with (what will hopefully be) sweeping null changes thus postponing any FW storms indefinitely.

The reship for partially completed plexes died with docking denial. One side will always have in-system options while the other can have quite a long trip .. far longer than allowed by the timers in a majority of cases, which leads to one fight per plex if defender wins. Result is that attacks on a system is either done by the skittish alt horde or an over-kill crew with X links and whatnot, the rolling plex fight is simply not possible to the same extent as before.

Back in the day when plexes were finite, we often kept off timers to give enemy time in order to prolong fights but that is no longer viable as they spawn continuously, capture area overlaps with warp-in, they give LP and are just as boring so people naturally opt for closing them down post haste.

PS: Props for the Plexing = Ice-mining comparison, very acute. Has boredom, income, ship restrictions and fit preferences .. ticks all boxes

I think its great to have suspect flag in the plexes. Some people are concerned about their sec status and that is one reason why they join fw. Neutrals who go in are going in for pvp. I see no reason why the sec status should continue to act as a deterent to pvp.

As far as real life comparisons keep in mind that we are flying combat vessels. So its more like random people coming into the check point in tanks.

But whatever I think that will be a good change but not a huge game changer.


IMO Lin and Crosi are both making good points about rollbacks. Although I tend to like the more draconian countbacks, imagine you are in a system running a small plex in a navy frigate. And then you see a wt enter and open a novice in the same system and start running it. Ideally I would be able to warp over and fight him without losing all my time. In the same token I have chased farmers back and forth from plex to plex in benny hill fashion. So I am not sure the pvper is really winning in that case if the timers rollback is slow.

This is why I think ccp might consider an added 2 minute penalty immediate reduction (capped a neutral) if you warp out when an enemy or neutal is either on grid or on grid with your accel gate. And perhaps not even have the count back if you leave the plex when no one is at your plex. In other words try to make some rough estimate on whether you are warping out in order to avoid pvp or not. If your not warping out to avoid pvp then I don't think you need to be penalized. Especially if you are warping out to get pvp.

But really I think like the op says. CCP needs to get this mechanic out there and then tweak it as necessary. There are allot of options of how to implement it. Its time to get it out and then it can be tweaked as necessary.

I don't have any issues around sec status hits or anything else in eve. The issue I have is that FW'ers feel they have the right to be able to shoot neuts without consequence 'cos they are in FW'. This I think is wrong as it goes against the whole sandbox idea and that your actions have consequence. If you shoot a neut in lowsec that isn't flashy you get a sec hit. simple as that. It won't change the neuts coming into plex for fights as that is what they are there for it is the idea that is has consequence for one player but not the other.

Man up FW'ers!

Alucard, you again.

Aren't you the guy who lied about what the devs said regarding faction war to pathetically try to support your view? I see you keep dodging that point.