Warfare & Tactics

A timer rollback is still forcing PvPers to sit in a plex to "block" a farmer from completing it - I don't see this working for long, because no-one wants to sit in a plex to stop a farmer from returning to finish the plex. Timer resets, or extremely fast rollbacks (20 minutes capture, 2 minutes rollback) and/or misc. penalties for abandoning a plex might be a bit more effective.

Spot on re: cause and effect though, pity CCP doesn't seem to share your point of view.

We both know he's (the farmer's) not going to leave the system, and no-one's going to "chase" him. The farmer is simply going to wait cloaked until the PvPer leaves. Are you willing to sit in the plex and block the farmer, one minute of your time for one minute of his? I doubt it.

Who do you think has more patience - the farmer, who is probably pseudo-botting ice on six other accounts, or the PvPer who wants a gudfite?

so once you take the whole war zone you can keep it for every with 3 alts per system cloaked all day stoping more sites popping up?

grreaaaattt - dont temp the farmers, they have the altpower

Yes I would say what I meant by 'rollback' could quite easily, and would probably have to, encompass 'extremely fast' rollbacks.

Its not so much about me having to block a farmer from completing a plex. Currently a farmer is just going to warp out of the plex when I arrive, he has no disincentive not to, he can choose 100% chance of not dying and warp out for 0 penalty as most pvpers don't care.

Timer rollbacks would introduce a penalty to such behavior, granted, there may well be those farmers that cop the extra time penalty on the chin and keep running/fitting stabs, but hopefully we can begin to influence behavior.

Enough changes in this direction and you can begin to change what is the 'most effective' way to farm. Most pvpers know this already, If you actually want to make the most LP you can on a single character, fit him for pvp. Me going out and running 5 novices consecutively without being interrupted sure looks more profitable than a farmer who can pick up a 'tail' for who knows how long and is constantly being interrupted.

Continually increase the penalties/disincentives for leaving a plex, and said farmers will adopt a strategy that does work (defending their plex.)

also can i have a tiny bit of FW standing CCP for fw kills? to go with the tiny bit of LP

I hit my top rank ages ago and i get no more boosts to my standing. Not good for corp standings if your the CEO etc.

its easy to do, so just do it (i dont care if we get nothing for newb ships and shuttle ofc)

I sure as hell loose some if i shoot the wrong guy, accidental or otherwise my standing does not move unless i do missions (which i can't do because theres no agent in available stations)

QFT

i have the better idea: insta-biomass any farmers in plex when you warp to beacon

PvPers these days.....

You havnt broken 100 kills for nrly 4 yrs

from what i can see fw is not broken,amarr are basicaly just whining about losing

You can't draw a conclusion as to how much of a problem rabbits are from that, because that doesn't compare rabbits to pvpers. Also it doesn't tell us if people are in there to farm or just to find pvp. I don't assume everyone in the top belt of a system is there to mine.

The fact that about 80% of the people who are in a militia warp out or cloak as soon as I warp to them tells us how much of an impact farmers are having.

The fact that the top daily vp earners have no kills for the day the earned the top spot tells us farmers are having an impact.

The fact that the same plexes stay open all day in the hot pvp systems tells us that the pvpers even when they are in a plex for fights don't bother to wait out the timer if no fights are coming.



I'm generally not in favor of special rules but something may have to be done about cloaking. The problem with just banning cloaks is that if you want to go into enemy space with a larger ship where you can't dock the cloak helps avoid gate camps and allows you to dock up in a safe while your pvp and pve timers run.

Perhaps if you cloak in a plex you lose 4 minutes off your timer capped at neutral.



No the conflict driver is the rewards boths sides stand to get for having a certain number of systems. Outside homesystems it doesnt really matter which systems specifically. I do not consider that broken.[/quote]

Its not an either or they both drive conflict. The rewards just amplify the conflict.



Its not your idea, its Veshta Yoshida's iirc. I personally think there are issues with vp rewards being inversely proportional to LP rewards.

As for lp for defensive plexing, it think its working fine. It encourages some stability in what was a boom bust cycle before in the utterly broken cashout system you loved. Talk about catching up, you still think that was better than what we have now lol.[/quote]

You call it stability I call it stagnation. The cashout system got people leaving their booster alts and blobs in their homes systems and fighting for allot more systems. You had to flip 80% of the systems. Now gallente just sit at tier 2 and don't even care. People don't care about broken mechanics and the new lp pay stucture demonstrates this.

Now the percent of kills are concentrated to a few systems like pre inferno. The cashout system actually helped the losing side because they would continue to rack up lp. That would in turn create more and more of an incentive to hit a higher tier to cash it out. Now no one really cares about 90% of the systems.

I didn't say coorelating vp requirments with lp payouts was my idea. I said that I predicted the stagnation we currently have and thought ccp should look at tweaking vp requirments if they needed to.