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CSM8 Voter apathy exceeded my expectations

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#1 - 2013-04-27 17:41:53 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Was it 49702 votes total? out of 400k-500k?
I am surprised 1 HI sec rep made it TBH, otherwise it does appear to be a NULL SEC thing.
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#2 - 2013-04-27 18:18:20 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Was it 49702 votes total? out of 400k-500k?
I am surprised 1 HI sec rep made it TBH, otherwise it does appear to be a NULL SEC thing.



Just seconding this.

Really really strange.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-04-27 18:20:08 UTC
It's ok. I look forward to the day when EVE is F2P.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#4 - 2013-04-27 18:40:00 UTC
so 10 000 less votes eh?

so the exact same as last year then!

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
stoicfaux
#5 - 2013-04-27 18:45:44 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Was it 49702 votes total? out of 400k-500k?
I am surprised 1 HI sec rep made it TBH, otherwise it does appear to be a NULL SEC thing.

Crikey, imagine how low it would have been if the "Vote Now" evegate email hadn't gone out.


CSM 7 election numbers for comparison: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/csm-7-the-results/

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#6 - 2013-04-27 19:13:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
CSM has been less and less of interest to players. Most of the player driven changes had been made after ccp looked at subscriptions dropping. Now csm never really interacts with players through the forums created for that purpose - assembly hall. CSM interested in players ideas ended with csm5.


They only give minutes after they have been sterilized by ccp and csm. They only speak at fireside chats and blogs where they can control the forum/discussion. CSM has become a buffer seperating ccp from the players. Its no wonder the players aren't interested in supporting them.

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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-04-27 19:26:17 UTC
I voted but i can't remember who for. whoever they are and whatever they got, well done or bad luck whatever.

I can't remember who my MEP is either, don't worry.

forums.  serious business.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-04-27 19:38:40 UTC
People don't care about who wins the popularity contest to be unpaid testers of some dumb video game.

******* shocker.

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#9 - 2013-04-27 19:42:23 UTC
Cearain wrote:
CSM has been less and less of interest to players. Most of the player driven changes had been made after ccp looked at subscriptions dropping. Now csm never really interacts with players through the forums created for that purpose - assembly hall. CSM interested in players ideas ended with csm5.


They only give minutes after they have been sterilized by ccp and csm. They only speak at fireside chats and blogs where they can control the forum/discussion. CSM has become a buffer seperating ccp from the players. Its no wonder the players aren't interested in supporting them.


So far 2 CSM's been banned due to activism ( Darius III & ANKH ) so the barrier is there
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Jayrendo Karr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-04-27 20:01:48 UTC
There was literally no voter suppression, they advertised it with an in-game link at log-in screaming "GO VOTE FOR CSM PLZ GUISE"
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#11 - 2013-04-27 20:23:41 UTC
Deleted some rumor posts. Please don't assume what CCP did or didn't do unless explicitly stated by CCP.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#12 - 2013-04-27 20:33:52 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:

So far 2 CSM's been banned due to activism ( Darius III & ANKH ) so the barrier is there



I was never able to find out just what exactly ANKH did. That happened just a few months after I started playing (but actually voted for Vile rat).

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-04-27 21:17:20 UTC
There was next to no advertising of the campaign. There was no incentive to vote.

For most people there was no reason to vote.

The voting mechanism had multiple steps and wasn't clearly laid out - as such why would someone vote when there is no vested interest in doing so?

I voted 'cause well... I vote in real life as well. I had no real interest in who won or what the CSM does.

Heck, I still don't really know what the CSM does and I've played EVE for a long time.

Basically, the communication of the voting process and what the CSM is about was lacking in the extreme.

For next year I hope that CCP starts talking about the CSM vote months before the vote. Get people interested and maybe even give out t-shirts (in-game that is) that say "I voted." But, first, a question needs to be answered: why should a player vote? If the incentives for voting do not outweigh the obstacles to vote then the vast majority of people will not vote. This election proves that.
None ofthe Above
#14 - 2013-04-27 21:22:04 UTC  |  Edited by: None ofthe Above
Very disappointing indeed.

Hopefully next year we'll get more support from CCP and perhaps an in game vote.

I think during the election there should be a screen as part of the login process, Vote Now, Later, or Abstain. None of the Above vote would be interesting as well.

If you are going to do a pre-vote primary-esque kind of thing ditto for that.

PS - Voter awareness and education are not things that can be done at the last minute. Hope that was made clear from this year's results.

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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#15 - 2013-04-27 21:25:46 UTC
Once again, If CCP really wants to involve the member base, all they have to do is put the voting booth IN GAME.....

Problem is, CCP clearly does not understand the customers they attract. Oops



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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#16 - 2013-04-27 21:28:32 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:

So far 2 CSM's been banned due to activism ( Darius III & ANKH ) so the barrier is there

I was never able to find out just what exactly ANKH did. That happened just a few months after I started playing (but actually voted for Vile rat).

Talking about NDA breaches often breaches the NDA. Blink

The insinuation was always that she had leaked info to another gaming company.
Drunken Bum
#17 - 2013-04-27 21:29:33 UTC
I just made a strawberry peanut butter smoothie for lunch. Its delicious!

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None ofthe Above
#18 - 2013-04-27 21:29:39 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Once again, If CCP really wants to involve the member base, all they have to do is put the voting booth IN GAME.....

Problem is, CCP clearly does not understand the customers they attract. Oops





Actually I believe there is a good shot they will do just that. I think Dolan mentioned it in the CSM interview with Xander. Not something he could get done this year, but he'd like to see it done for the next election.

We need to keep up the support for that idea. It will take some coding hours but I think well worth it.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#19 - 2013-04-27 21:30:55 UTC
Fractal Muse wrote:


The voting mechanism had multiple steps and wasn't clearly laid out...
Oh, please. *I* figured it out, first try, without problem. If I can do it, anyone ought to be able to figure it out. P

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#20 - 2013-04-27 21:32:31 UTC
I am surprised that Mike Azariah made it. He was my 1st choice and hang me if I recall who where the rest (essentialy the 3 who ranked higher at the vote match).

But then lower voter turnout ceems to no surprise. Hilmar was quick to spin that and suggested that last year's election was loaded with interest, but then he should tell us why the election got the same voters with 500k susbcribers in 2013 than it got with 400k subscribers in 2011.
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