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RIP hisec mining, it was fun while it lasted.

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Dave Stark
#21 - 2013-04-27 15:01:04 UTC
i'm sorry, in what way did they break mining?

oh right, they didn't.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#22 - 2013-04-27 15:01:15 UTC
Is this a bad thing? In what sense?

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Bolow Santosi
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-04-27 15:03:15 UTC
All 12 people in the CFC who mine are ecstatic about this change.
Dave Stark
#24 - 2013-04-27 15:05:53 UTC
Bolow Santosi wrote:
All 12 people in the CFC who mine are ecstatic about this change.


if you let me join i'll be the 13th excited member!
Singulis Pacifica
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-04-27 15:08:54 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

That's not true at all. Stop being alarmist. Highsec miners will be just fine. Highsec ice miners stand to make pretty good profits.


Actually, I think that with this change, regular High-Sec miners will get a boost as well, not just the Ice-miners. I mean, gravimetric sites are gone: so all these specific ore asteroid fields are going to come up as anomalies. Although the low-sec ore will appear in high-sec at the same rate it does now, it does provide high-sec miners an easier way to find it: simply use the built-in scan to find them.

The only downside for miners? The price for Tritanium, Pyerite, and Mexallon will probably drop. But the price for the low-sec ore will rise. Not sure if its going to balance each other out, but it's not all bad.

Except of course....the fact that you're now never safe as a miner and need to... dare I say it... tank your mining vessel?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-04-27 15:09:38 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
90% is minor decrease in profitability. Basically, not worh noting. haha.

Holy ****, 90%? If I didn't have more than four working brain cells I wouldn't have been able to tell that you had pulled that out of your ass.

Basil Pupkin wrote:
Ice fields are gone for good, dear sir, read the changes more carefully, please, as "seeking" has nothing to do with it now.

Maybe you should read the changes more carefully. How would seeking not have anything to do with it? Going around systems that spawn ice belts looking for one that currently has a spawn is not seeking?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#27 - 2013-04-27 15:12:32 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
90% is minor decrease in profitability. Basically, not worh noting. haha.

Holy ****, 90%? If I didn't have more than four working brain cells I wouldn't have been able to tell that you had pulled that out of your ass.

That is an optimistic lookup. Realistic one is that mining dies completely in hisec.

James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Ice fields are gone for good, dear sir, read the changes more carefully, please, as "seeking" has nothing to do with it now.

Maybe you should read the changes more carefully. How would seeking not have anything to do with it? Going around systems that spawn ice belts looking for one that currently has a spawn is not seeking?

And all of them are going to be camped for good. Unless you manage to camp one, hurr durr no ice for you. It has a lot more camping than seeking, dear sir.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
Dave Stark
#28 - 2013-04-27 15:17:03 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Realistic one is that mining dies completely in hisec.


realistic.

i'm not sure that word means what you think it means.
Ginger Barbarella
#29 - 2013-04-27 15:17:37 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
That is an optimistic lookup. Realistic one is that mining dies completely in hisec.


James34234234234, how the heck are ya? Roll

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#30 - 2013-04-27 15:17:57 UTC
Singulis Pacifica wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

That's not true at all. Stop being alarmist. Highsec miners will be just fine. Highsec ice miners stand to make pretty good profits.


Actually, I think that with this change, regular High-Sec miners will get a boost as well, not just the Ice-miners. I mean, gravimetric sites are gone: so all these specific ore asteroid fields are going to come up as anomalies. Although the low-sec ore will appear in high-sec at the same rate it does now, it does provide high-sec miners an easier way to find it: simply use the built-in scan to find them.

I were able to find gravimetric sites before, now everyone is. How is that a buff again?
Not to mention one simple point - 99% of hisec gravimetrics are plain useless even now, and buffed ores are not available in any of them. Large Hedbergite was the only one to keep a mining OP busy for more than 30 minutes, and Hedbergite is not getting a buff.

Singulis Pacifica wrote:
The only downside for miners? The price for Tritanium, Pyerite, and Mexallon will probably drop. But the price for the low-sec ore will rise. Not sure if its going to balance each other out, but it's not all bad.

Except of course....the fact that you're now never safe as a miner and need to... dare I say it... tank your mining vessel?

Safety is unaffected in hisec. Profitability is no longer an issue too, hehe.
Tanked mining vessels will only make you die slower on lowsec.
Nullsec is the safest and now the only viable path for miner.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-04-27 15:19:39 UTC  |  Edited by: LHA Tarawa
As a high sec carebear, I see the changes coming to Odyssey and think... EXCELLENT!

Adding trit and pyrox to the null high ends is, as I see it, a minimalist approach compared to what could have happened.


There had been hints of "removing the tediousness", which could have been a belt that spawns once every 4 hours, then could be mined out quickly... Could you have imagined 10X increase in mining yield, a belt popping in minutes instead of hours, then waiting hours for the belt to respawn? WAY worse than what we are getting, IMO.



And, here's a hint: With the amount of time null mininers have to stay docked up due to roaming bad guys and cloaky camping, high sec mining will STILL be more profitable on a monthly basis.

These minor tweaks will NOT be enough to overcome the vast difference in % of time it is safe to undock in the exhumer.


High sec mining will be done by casual players that want to be able to log in, go mine, log off.

Null mining will still primarily be done by the more serious players, willing to work around all the inconveniences of null space....

Main difference is, now those null players, that want to put up with those hassles of null, won't have to import 10 freighter loads of high sec ore to build a super capital. They'll be able to mine themselves... when the cloaky campers let them.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-04-27 15:20:14 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Realistic one is that mining dies completely in hisec.


realistic.

i'm not sure that word means what you think it means.
Can you tell me what's going on here ?
Did i miss anything ? Why should regular ore mining suddenly stop/be reduced ?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2013-04-27 15:21:21 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
That is an optimistic lookup. Realistic one is that mining dies completely in hisec.

Welp, then maybe you should just quit. Can I have your stuff?

James Amril-Kesh wrote:
And all of them are going to be camped for good. Unless you manage to camp one, hurr durr no ice for you. It has a lot more camping than seeking, dear sir.

Yeah, I'm sure there are enough ice miners in highsec to camp every single ice system and deplete every ice belt every 15 minutes.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Dave Stark
#34 - 2013-04-27 15:21:43 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Realistic one is that mining dies completely in hisec.


realistic.

i'm not sure that word means what you think it means.
Can you tell me what's going on here ?
Did i miss anything ? Why should regular ore mining suddenly stop/be reduced ?


dev blog announced more minerals being added to some null sec ores. low ends.

it'll increase supply of low ends and push prices down a little, but not enough to credibly claim "the end is coming".
Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#35 - 2013-04-27 15:21:49 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Realistic one is that mining dies completely in hisec.


realistic.

i'm not sure that word means what you think it means.
Can you tell me what's going on here ?
Did i miss anything ? Why should regular ore mining suddenly stop/be reduced ?


Read the news. Odyssey happens.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2013-04-27 15:21:50 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Realistic one is that mining dies completely in hisec.


realistic.

i'm not sure that word means what you think it means.
Can you tell me what's going on here ?
Did i miss anything ? Why should regular ore mining suddenly stop/be reduced ?



Check dev blogs. Trit and pyrox are being added to null sec ores, to make them less dependent on shipping in freighter loads of high sec ores.
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#37 - 2013-04-27 15:22:59 UTC
Was it really fun while it lasted?

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Velicitia
XS Tech
#38 - 2013-04-27 15:24:35 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
That's not true at all. Stop being ignorant.
Hisec miners are gonna go extinct.
Highsec ice fields are gonna stop existing, as people are gonna mine them dry in 15 minutes and poof, no ice for 4 hours.

And you base this on what, exactly?

Highsec miners are going to go extinct based on some probably minor decrease in profitability that they didn't even have before the drone loot nerf anyway?
Highsec ice fields becoming scarcer somehow wouldn't equate to a large boost in the cost of ice which would entice players even more to seek out ice systems and mine them for themselves?

As always pubbies don't look at the big picture.


90% is minor decrease in profitability. Basically, not worh noting. haha.
Ice fields are gone for good, dear sir, read the changes more carefully, please, as "seeking" has nothing to do with it now.
'

static fields are gone. replaced with a "Grav" site that respawns 4 hours after it's mined out. hisec can now supply 80% of the total POS Fuel ice used.

If people are mining out "your" ice -- go kill them Twisted

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Ritsum
Perkone
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-04-27 15:26:25 UTC
With the changes to Null sec mining and outpost productivity, I don't see why a lot of null sec alliances are not recruiting more indie corps to help them. I would think getting a carebear corp into your null system to make sure your production gets better would be a good thing all round. Carebears get introduced into a pvp environment and Null bears get their **** done at a great rate.

Play EvE how you want to play it and do not let others dictate how you play. Evolve your playstyle to protect yourself from others! Even in "PVE", "PVP" is there, lurking in the shadows.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2013-04-27 15:26:37 UTC
Woah !

I've actually read them yesterday ... but i have *no* idea about this.

Why would that drop prices ? Wouldn't it rather make more sense to believe
that nullsec alliances need all this ore for thems... oh .............................