EVE General Discussion

Dude. Who are you trying to fool with this ****?

No iteration of scanning has ever demanded skill.

The first iteration demanded patience or, at least, a good book to read between scans.

I feel the same as Fon SaiHec and Elaine Mari_Avarro

The whole point about scanning down the sites was the difficulty of learning how to do it - that made you kind of part of an elite group of people making money from a profession... now this patch made it so any idiot can scan down the sites... completely ruining that aspect of game play. Now 'Dumb' and 'Dumber' can do it thanks to the new scanning mechanic. Shame on you CCP.

I guess dumbing down games to cater for the masses is inevitable if all you care about is money. I wonder if the game's demographic has changed a lot recently with people coming to Eve from DUST? I hadn't noticed, but perhaps they had a lot of petitions about scanning, who knows.

Does CCP ever roll-back a devlopment when it is rubbish? Hope so.

Or Next we shall see space Pandas.

No iteration in four years? Red headed step child.

Anybody who's worrying about lost loot in spew containers hasn't got the hang of it yet. You cargo scan the can and see what the #1, 2, and 3 things are that you want to nab and then go after only those kind of containers, i.e. data, equipment. You'll almost always be able to get all the valuable items if you prioritize. I was critical at first but actually hacking is an interesting challenge if you're focused on speed, and seeing what you can get from cans and having to choose the right spew containers to get what you want and leave the trash is good fun.

The fact that all relic and data cans look identical to the rest is immersion breaking though. And I feel like there should be some NPCs to liven things up. Maybe just randomly with a fairly low chance, and sometimes when you fail at hacking. The chance should increase as security level does, though this would conflict with the exploration frigates' hacking bonus being more important in lower security sites, as those ships can only field a few light drones and equip maybe one turret or launcher. And of course sleepers should remain in WH sites.

The changes to Astrometrics had to happen. Exploration is supposed to be something you can get into as a new player but you had to get your scanning skills up pretty high or it was tedious and frustrating to scan sites down all the way even in high sec often.

It would be interesting if the module got you cans from the wreck but you had to do the mini game to open the cans. if you fail the mini game you lose whatever is in the can. make them contractable items and you can sell loot instead of hacking it but the buyer and the seller wont know whats in it cept that its a parts can or a materials can etc.

basicaly like if you had encrypted cargo boxes.
hacking device opens bay doors of derelict ship.
cargo is locked in crates, crates must be hacked to get open.
this would also be a reason to use the CQ.

now if only that werent so ******.,

Exploration is dead for me now, I dislike the mine game, but I really hate the drop/loot thing.

^this

You wouldn't say that if it was your niche of the game that was suddenly overrun by low skilled farmers ruining your income and the enjoyment that you got from doing an activity in the past.

And i have to disagree with you also when you say CCP thought this through. Obviously they haven't. Granted i myself was naive to think it wouldn't be so bad but then i don't get paid for developing this game nor have the experience of doing so for 10 years or get help from a professional economist to figure things out. A lot more people fight now over the same sparse ressources (by that i mean market demand, as quantity obviously is more then plenty now). Had they thought this through then an adequate amount of new ressources had been added to account for the number of new players doing it. The spatial atunments and a couple bpc's don't cut it.

Think all these t2 salvage parts flooding the market come from hisec? You must have missed the part where rats have been removed from the sites. It's easy now to farm nullsec sites in disposable frigs for low skilled players and with not much risk. And plenty do just that.

I don't really know why people whine so much on the new mechanic.

It's as real as it gets. You forcibly decompress a cargo bay in space. This makes the cargo fly out into space.
Also they made this a real profession, as you pretty much need max skills and ship bonuses so you have as much coherence to break the nodes as possible.

The only thing that doesn't make sense for this profession is the loot reword. I've been doing these sites for the last few days and a buddy of mine and I did in like 5 hours only 3-400 mil. Most of the sites are crap and only a few give out good loot like intact armor plates and some cool blueprints.

loot should be comparable with hack complexity. Highest complexity should give the largest loot. Not to mention that these sites are ran by two people so this needs to be lucrative.