EVE General Discussion

There is a difference between new content and new good content. Seems like you don't care but that doesn't mean others shouldn't.

I don't think the complaint is that it is different. The complaint is on the surface the idea sounds really bad.

Can I please have some of whatever it is you're smoking?

I couldn't agree more with this right here. If you don't like the changes that CCP is making to exploring then then simply don't explore.

No one is forcing you to be an explorer and if you feel that exploring is detracting from the core values of the game then don't support it by not participating in it (CCP knows how many people participate in the different professions and you better believe they'll be keeping a close eye on how many people participate in the revamped exploration profession).

As for the rest of us, we'll be better off because when TQ comes back up in a few hours there will be less competition for sites if you just back away from the new thing you don't agree with.

So I've spent the last two nights doing a lot of exploration in low and null sec.

When I first heard about the minigame in the FF presentation, I thought it was a thematically poor choice for Eve, but wasn't particularly upset about it otherwise.

Having spent a lot of time doing sites on both sisi and TQ now, though, I really quite like it.

First of all, the scatter mechanic is really not a problem. It basically provides a way to make it potentially valuable, but not necessary, to bring a friend along. I routinely get everything of value from the sites I hack, only losing an item here or there from the very richest (relic sites with 8+ salvage stacks, for instance). I'm pretty sure the people who dislike this mechanic are still cluelessly trying to grab every last can at random. I frequently stop grabbing cans well before the time has run out because I know I've already picked up the good stuff, and don't feel compelled to fill my cargo with electronic parts and hydrogen batteries.


On average, I'm making significantly more from data sites and VASTLY more from relic sites. My run in low sec exceeded 100m isk per hour by a wide margin. Performance in null has been slightly lower (mainly due to a shortage of sites, and bugged sites) but still very high.

The minigame adds a mechanism that forces the explorer to be both exposed and distracted, which adds an element of risk that just wasn't present in the previous system, and the amount of time it takes is based on player interaction rather than whether or not the RNG favors your analyzer on this particular cycle.

Both per site and per hour. Previously, in low-sec, I completely ignored data and relic sites in favor of pursuing potential PHAT LEWT in DED sites. Now I'm doing the complete opposite, because the data and relic sites have had such consistently high output.

I can't comment on w-space. A friend of mine mentioned to me that the sleeper spawns have gotten much more difficult, but he also said that the loot they're getting from the sites is vastly better as well (which makes sense, since the loot tables were made MUCH more generous).

Totally agree.

Hate the idea of chasing cans down and hate the new mini game.

This is internet spaceships.... not candy crush!!

I agree - I hate the new minigame. Eve is supposed to be about you against the other players in a sandbox. Hacking used to be just that - you would get to the can start hacking and spam ds while hoping that some other player is not sitting cloaked in the room with you. You had to keep one eye on the system and the other on the rats. You could even do it in a combat ship trying to bait folk to come on at you. Now the minigame pops up and places a large screen (which I cant figure out how to resize) across your monitor effectively disconnecting you from the rest of the game. Where you should be keeping an eye on your fellow players, now your playing whack a mole. Furthermore, given the nature of the minigame, you are effectively forced to use exploration ships, thus making the game more cookiecutter while rendering any attempt at baiting in a nonconventional ship obvious.

Here's what I'll tell you mighty DevTeam: while I find the hacking minigame kinda frustrating, I no longer ignore Data sites immediately on finding them because of their lack of profit and the fact the the gameplay used to be shining my red flashlight at the can and alt-tabbing until it opened 10m later.

In that case, should they change salvaging to be a mini game also? Eliminate the RNG in salvaging. Come up with a schematic of the ship you are salvaging and play Operation. Instead of the big red nose beeping when you touch the side, the ship blows up damaging yours.


Not impressed with the mini-game right now. Maybe they will improve it but don't care for it right now. I would have preferred, instead of putting a flat board game on my screen and you just click, that each of those nodes was a gate you had to unlock using the hacker/codebreaker. Kinda of like a maze. Multiple paths to get to the final room. Turn the firewalls into encounters with Sleeper AI.

Kinda of like in incursions where you have contest between fleets to get the site down, You would have multiple paths so fleets could take different directions to reach the reward.

Two ideas

1. Relic Sites>> Mini-game where you actually get out of your ship and enter the structure/abandoned ship and have to scan and such throughout the ship. Perhaps have a FPS mini-game in exploration sites.

2. Hacking Sites>> I like the mini-game...perhaps get out of your ship and enter the structure/abandoned ship and hook up to a computer terminal or something.

Just ideas...