Skill Discussions

So i stared playing Eve 2 days ago, Comming from WoW, because in WoW and any other MMO i have played getting to highest level the faster the more you enjoy the game... IE. In wow start a new toon and level him as fast as you can to lvl 90... The more hours you put into the better/faster.

So stared playing EvE and i dont think it works that way.. But i still wanted to replicated it =) So i downloaded EVEMon, but im not sure which ship i want .... I guess im to new to know this (2 days in) so i looked around:

So it seems like the hurracaine and Loki are good ships for PvP... So i went to this site: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/47937-Loki-Solo-and-Small-gang-Dual-Web-Armor.html and downloaded the EVEMon plan, and it says i need 54 days to complete it.. Which very far...

Yesterday i finished all the missions from the starter guys (Military, Advance Military, Exploration, Business, etc) but not sure what to do next... i guess i can dock somewhere else and keep doing missions...

Money is not a problem since i got few plex and have about 2500M on me at the moment... So i dont need money (at least i think so)

But not sure what to do not to get bored, and wait those 50 days...

I mean i do missions to gain ISK (which i dont need), i can probably do many more missions but ill be bored in 2 days of pure mission doing annndddd i dont see the gain from doing all this missions since all they give is ISK which again i dont think i need at least not at the rate from this missions...

I think i have to switch my mind set to not worry about skills so much since i see that not far from now some skills will take weeks... and what? not do anything for those weeks?

So i kinda want to know what you guys do? I dont want to mine (boring), i guess ill do some missions but what should i do when i get bored of missions?

In WoW for example if you are a lvl 1 you cant do pvp with lvls 90 not sure if that the same case here...

Sorry the format sucks but just thinking out loud :)

Keep in mind the Evemon skill plans from ship fits will only give the bare minimum skills you need to actually get the ship into space with the modules from the fit. That doesn't mean you'll actually be able to have those modules activated (CPU/Powergrid requirements), or that you'll be able to run them for more than 5 seconds (Capacitor skills), or that you can actually survive a fight with a beginner frigate (tank skills), or that you can actually perform the job (although in this case you would be able to use the barest minimum of a link).

TLDR: The Evemon skil plan says 54 days to fly, but you need at least 60-90 to actually fly it for bare minimum purpose.

Don't depend on that to drive your fun, get skills to help you have fun now that can also contribute to flying the Vulture in the future.

Edit:
Other options beside RvB are to join Eve Unviersity, find a corp in Low-sec or Null-sec space to experience the kind of fights a Vulture can be massively useful for. Train your mechanics/electronics/engineering/gunnery skills first before jumping down the Spaceship Command and Leadership tree so you can fly basic frigates or cruisers in small gangs and fleets first, then enjoy doing that while waiting for the long term Leadership and Battlecruiser skills to finish.

Don't play eve like you play wow, it wont end well.

a titan pilot can shoot at a guy in a nooship with 500k sp yes. However the titan might have a hard time hitting.

That looks nice..!!!! i be there for sure... So when you say "Work on your Rifter skills (both skillbook skills and piloting skills) " which skills you taking about?

This:

Recommended Certificates
Core Competency Basic
Armour Tanking Basic
Frigate Projectile Turrets Basic

??

The old "Rifterbro" thing is a little bit dated, since the frig tiericide. They are still great ships, but nowhere near as dominant as they used to be. Hell, I've found the Slasher to be superior to the Rifter since the overhaul in almost every single way, especially when fit with an MSE.

My advice for any newbro interested in PvP: you have two truly viable options.

One is to get involved with Faction Warfare. Running the lowest level complexes can net you some fair ISK for a newbie, and doesn't require awesome skills, as the lowest level plexes can only be accessed by T1 frigs...just keep that D-scan up and bail if you see a blob coming, or something you know will eat you alive, like a Daredevil. You will die a bit, but it's a good learning experience, and it's cheap.

Option two is to find a nullsec corp that is willing to take in newbros, teach them the way of the hero tackle, and involve them in both large fleets, and small gangs. This can be a bit more of a pain for the newbie than FW, because null corps are generally paranoid, don't want to risk recruiting trials or spies, and some recruitment ads for nullsec corps are actually scams intended to separate you from your assets.

Oh, that reminds me, most scams are perfectly inside of the rules in this game, in case you didn't know. Crying to a GM in WoW about getting scammed will get you your stuff back, and the scammer banned. Here, it will just get you laughed at for being gullible.

The idea is to start slow and build momentum as you go in with your training. That means don't jump into big stuff like battleships or battlecruiser. Go with frigates, train support skills and you will be able to fly battlecruisers and bigger without much issues later

In EVE, skills are not so much enablers as improving stuff you like to do.

Train skills for things that help you now, not some time in the future.

Note that it takes 17% of the time to train a skill to level 4 and get 80% of the ability, than it does to train to level 5.

you should slap whoever told you that. Most certificates in eve contain many worthless skills you've most likely wasted a lot of time if you've followed them.

Apart from core competency-standard I recommend NOT actively training for certificates.

The major problem is that the certificates are focused around PvE (from what I can see), let's take the Rupture for example:

Core competency basic
Armour tanking basic
Cruiser projectile turrets basic

In armour tanking basic there's repairs systems III. Nobody in their right mind would actively tank a Rupture in PvP. Not saying repairs systems isn't useful, but it's not for the ship it's attached to.

Now there's many more like that so that's why i don't trust certificates, they're just an extra thing to check once skills have done training

Ask more experienced corpmates how to train for a ship and don't accept "train x cert" as an acceptable answer unless it's core competency standard.

If you want to PvP, get in a frigate and go shoot people.

If you wait for a hurricane (or, god forbid, a Loki), you're just going to end up with some really funny (to everyone other than you) lossmails.