Wormholes

I don't think very many, if any, of us want anything like 'sov'. We own our systems because we're willing to fight for them. We stop owning them when we leave, either willingly or because someone throws us out, and any remotely active WH corp owns their system much more thoroughly than 90% of null is 'owned'. Come into our system and we'll shoot you, most likely.

As for WH space not being dangerous, well you don't run C5 or C6 anoms or sigs solo in subcaps the way you do in k-space. You have no idea who is watching you, or their exact plans for you (though it's a very good bet they aren't friendly). You don't know for certain that you've spotted all the wormholes before someone slipped into your system. When you go to roll a new K162 that's spawned you're always wondering who put it there, where they are now, and how many of them there are... Rolling holes is all very well, but unless you're one of the biggest WH entities it's entirely possible that you roll into a system full of people with violence on their minds, and rolling a hole when people are trying to kill you is the very definition of 'unsafe'.


WH is not at all safe.

CCP creates new game content which is largely unknown and requires true exploration with trial and error.
New game content is evenutally min/max'd by leaving zero unknows for the player base that was attracted to the content because of the unknown.
CCP expresses desire to introduce some new elements of unknown into boring content.
Player base that were once explorers but now just fat and happy on blue loot in their "home" system reply with ironic threadnaught.

CCP, please for the love of Bob give W-space something new. I don't care if you nerf the ISK, change the static spawn mechanic, add sleeper dread fleets to kill POS, just do something. I've been trapped in wormholes for 4 years, its really boring now.

Pls - tell me who trapped you there? Cant you look for something more cool? Pls don't get me wrong - don't wan't to offent someone, but if something is boring then usually I try to change what I'm doing.... I'm not saying WH don't need changes. I just claim - changes must be reasonable and good thought.

You think WH's are boring? Get your ass out of your pos shield and do stuff, or move on to other parts of New Eden. Stop being a bitter vet and start being awesome.

Lol? You can tryst 100% of statistics 50% of the time.

There is no reason a group of friends cannot roam w-space, some people do, moving from wh to wh, and you can never predict what wh's you will find or who you will run into, its "unknown" until you go and explore it. Not so sure about 80% of wh's being colonized, at least it doesn't represent the different class's of whs, C1 to C3 i agree - mostly occupied, but C4s are mostly empty, C5s are very hit and miss, and probably around 50% of C6s are empty or inactive.

When you have the requirement to send scouts out to explore, scan out systems, maybe you have been to a wh before - but you just don't know whats in there today, **** maybe your being watched the whole time by a mysterious scout, with mates ready to jump you the moment you make a mistake - That to me gives that element of "Unknown". No matter what, you have to explore, call it "nullsec with variable gates" if you will, you still have to explore that gate that leads to an "unknown" system.

And dam right it should be hard to kick out a well run wormhole alliance, the sheer amount of effort it takes to build it up should mean it should take a a lot effort from another well run alliance to take it down. To be honest a well run wormhole corp knows how to invade, its not that hard - you just need a lot of patience, and devoted pilots.

W-space is not for the faint-hearted.

i would have SDed a long time ago if i was stuck for 4 years...

However, most wormholes are not that well run, and most of the owning corps are pretty small with a limited range of active hours. A huge amount of our income comes from entering a system and stripping it of all the portable loot (sleeper tags, gas) whilst the owners are tucked up in bed. Another income stream is PI, which is nice because it provides a reasonably steady income even when we're otherwise busy or down on our luck a bit.

That said, if they wake up and come out for a fight, even better! We'll drop everything for the prospect of a fight. We carebear to pay for ships, not for ISK for its own sake. If the owners wake up and won't fight, well we'll scrape their system dry while they watch so that 1) they'll get upset and maybe grow a pair, 2) suffer for their cowardice by losing a day's income, and 3) at least we'll have something for our time. We'd much prefer the fight, though.

Sleeper dreads would be hilarious if more than one spawned.

Well - in my opinion - I'm living WH for like 2,5 yeras now, and I'm active scanner - WH space is far from saturation. Of course many systems are colonized - got POSes in them - but in that number you can also count abandoned colonies, inactive colonies etc. Many WH small corps got their peak window for like 2-3 hours a day or even only at weekends, and believe me I know what I'm saying - it's hard to find someone willing to PvP among them. Small PvP is not gone - usually you fight like 10-15 vs 10. Of course I got in mind here some organized, PvP focused corps/allys, or even ppl that got enough balls to come and fight. The most common situation - on the other hand - involved with PvP in WH space is however different - it's like anywhere else, you bait ppl, you are doing all to just kill them all, same way ppl doing it in low or null. It is done maybe with some other mechanic and tools, but the outcome always is the same - you killed someone with vast overpowered forces/you are being killed by them.
In my opinion colonization of WH space is OK - it opens opportunity to FIND small scale PvP (and large scale too - "resetting hole" and "blob" stuff :P). After all if noone will live in WH permanently all you can count on is meeting random gangs on sleeper sites or doing ladars/gravi - mainly in hi-sec static holes... same as today but much more rarely. In that situation noone will do sites in C6 or c5 and those systems will die inactive.



As it was told during Game Design - Live Session at FanFest 2013 - creating systems with no moons is not a solution. Soon (tm :P) starbases could no longer require moon to anchor, or at least this is discussed by Devs with us as one solution of starbases revmap, and it would look ugly (planets without moons).

From my perspective creating new space with no allowance for creating any outposts (POS/stations) could be quite nice solution, but question is - what impact will it take on existing stuff. I very liked way Game Design - Live Session went C-space could be something astonishing, but I think it wont affect WH space in any matter. All that can be achieved by adding it - it probably will become next "endgame" feature for most hardcore players. And living in those systems will be still possible (ofc if Devs won't make it imposible :)) with mobile bases - for exapmle Orcas or Carriers...

I also don't like the idea of another "lucrative" ISK generator added to the game. How this should encorage us to do PvP? Ofc someone will go there and will be trying make ISKies, but something like that already takes place in WH space, and many ppl here don't like it (all those sentences "WH are ISK machine" etc.). Main problem here is I think that many ppl dont realize, that not all WH dwellers are just farming sites/ladars/grav... For example I'm harvesting gases on my char like once for every 2-3 months, usually when I just buyed something shiny. On anomalies got same approach. Most of the time I'm spending on scanning down chains and looking for PvP.

Popular statement here, on forum, as I observed, is that we are just sitting on our butts inside home system and make ISKies on anomalys (farming them) or chain collapse all day. THATS NOT TRUE.
Every time we collapse static (procedure is easy, at least except those cases when "mystery nanites" interact with WH), we scan chain laying behind static... Of course there are exceptions from that - if we will try to help someone to defend or we want to attack someone, we are doing chain collapsing in form called "rage rollin" (my record I think is like 300 WH during few hours - took us like 3-4 mins for WH). Cash in WH systems is made mainly in systems connected to our home, not inside our home. Some of very PvP active alliances even tried "nomadic" style of life - they were moving across some c5 WH clearing them from anomalys and killing ppl - two birds with one stone killed that way.

WH space IS unknown, despite statements which appeared here or across other topics on forum... After all you never know what is on the other side of WH until you jump through, or you never know who is watching you, or even if you are observed by someone.