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The new Tags system: Tag4Sec

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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#161 - 2013-05-03 19:05:26 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Ahvram wrote:

Now lets be realistic here. For one Low sec systems are going to be over whelmed with PVP and Null alliances chasing these tags. There will be almost no chance in hell your average corp/solo player will even have a shot at these tags. All CCP has done is added another ISK faucet to the people with the most ships and biggest guns. And to top it off now they will be fueling there ganking Hi sec fleets with these tags allowing even more of it to happen. The government (CCP) isn't out for the little guy here. Its just another way to fill Null bear pockets under the guise of "More to do in low sec"


Hmmm, I'd be very surprised if it goes the way you predict. Let's consider it rationally:
- We don't know whether the -5.0 sec status change will go through, so I'm going to assume the continuance of the -2.5 -> -4.5 gradience.
- The people who are most interested in these tags are professional gankers and ultra casual PVPers that live in high sec
- The spawn rate will be somewhere between faction spawns and normal rats. The spawn rate will be tweaked to allow for more or less people back into high sec. The rate at which they said tags should drop should be roughly equivalent to grinding your sec up in null sec instead of low sec. So, not very common at all.
- Setting the spawn rate too high will mean there's little impetus to farm tags because incidental farming will satisfy the demand. Setting it too low will make the tags extremely lucrative (but rare).
- The bulk of low sec is in Aridia/Solitude/Genesis. These areas are already heavily beared up by people with existing logistics chains. Plexing, anoms, and low sec missions are all already heavily farmed.

My predictions:
- Most tag farming will happen in Aridia/Solitude/Genesis
- There will be virtually no tag farming in FW space
- Most tags will be sold in Jita and other trade hubs
- Concord stations will be populated with tags at 30-50% markup over Jita
- Spawn rates will be low and the prices will be high.
- Null corps and alliances will not farm tags because tag spawns don't scale as well as farming rats in vast swaths of null sec.

-Liang



Looks about right to me. Just add in some more cloaky/stabbed farmers in the belts for the FW part if they end up at a good spawn rate and fair price. And previously worthless systems now have a tiny bit of a draw if the rates and prices are done right.

Solo/casual belt ratters looking for a fast fight over something potentially valuable are the one's who will benefit most from this as well as having an alternative to grinding when they have to shoot first and take a sec hit.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#162 - 2013-05-03 19:24:51 UTC
There are gonna be a lot of dead ships in low sec belts in less than a month lol.

Good news all around. Excuse me while I EFT up some low sec belt ratting goodness.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#163 - 2013-05-03 21:55:43 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Well the rats will be more common than faction rats. It sounds interesting at least and anything that isn't FW farming is good. At least if these farmers try to travel around stabbed and cloaked there are ways to grab them and take the tags that fall out.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/wanttotrade-tags-for-security-status/


Missed this link the first round,

Read the Dev Blog,

Don't care anymore.

You're welcome though. Spiteful pricks.
cheese monkey
NuKeDD
NuKeDD.
#164 - 2013-05-03 21:58:53 UTC
wait.


can you still rat for sec status if you want????

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#165 - 2013-05-03 22:42:21 UTC
cheese monkey wrote:
wait.
can you still rat for sec status if you want????
Yes.


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Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#166 - 2013-05-04 00:16:59 UTC
Ahvram wrote:
Yet another free pass for gankers with a fist full of cash.... Eve is suppose to be a realistic sand box yet now unlike the real world you can murder and commit crime and all you need is some cash to get you off free and clear.... Don't do the crime if you cant do the time so to speak.


The merest glance at the news or any statistics you care to access will show that in real life, having a buttload of cash ensures that you need never contribute, take part in or repay debts to, any society ever.
Excepting only the most atrocious and egregious offences, it's a sucker bet that rich people do less time, less community service and face execution less often than their poorer peers charged with the same scallywaggery.


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Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#167 - 2013-05-04 17:41:24 UTC
Athena Momaki wrote:
Not sure were this would go so i am putting it as a discussion topic.

I just watch the Tags4sec/crime watch part of the stream and I have to say I liked most of it. But like always everyone has an idea that is different than the Devs, and so do I.

The tags are cool and I really like it, but the 4,6,6,4 I think is not the best idea. I like the 4 to get from -10:-8, and the 6 from -5:-2, and the 4 from -2:-0. The part I don’t fully agree with is the 6 to get from -8:-5. I personally think that it should be one step harder to get into .8:1.0 space again.

After you get past -5 on your way down you can no longer go into some parts of high sec. from -5 up it is just cosmetic fixing. It should be harder and cost more for people buying the tags to get from -8:-5, and take more time to find the tags over all. Most pirates won’t even bother going past the -5:-2 anyways. This will also make it so new players are not going to be as easily hit by players that are known to suicide gank in the upper systems.

This is just my thoughts about that system. Overall I really do like it.

What was your take?


So, you mean to tell me that if I start stockpiling tags, I can fly into lowsec, and yarr to my pirate heart's content, then trade in my stash to be let back into highsec and buy mre things so I can yarr some more?


All riiiiiiiight!!! Time for a crime spree!!! :)

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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#168 - 2013-05-04 17:56:49 UTC
I like the new system, it finally gives something special to low-sec, and there is LOTS of uninhabited low-sec so solo roamers can now make serious bank on selling tags.

Now with 100% less Troll.