EVE General Discussion

Grinding isn't removed. You'll just be able to have someone else do it for you.

A step in the right direction to breath life into low sec.

but we don't want you here.

This is silly. As if i'd ever leave the place where all the people are and cared about my secstatus.

The so called "-10 hole", as CCP calls it, is purely imaginary anyway ...
... but as you know me, you know that already anyway.


Hahahahaha. xD


edit: Come to think of it, these changes could make the life of highseccers much worse,
if i cared about keeping my secstatus high enough. Imagine me roaming around with
even less hassle than now, in bigger ships with more firepower.

I like the idea. The issue right now is that PvP or aggression in low sec causes a penalty that is way worse than the crime. Not only would a low sec PvP'er get gate guns and a security hit but you would have to kill essentially 10 battleship rats for that transgression. Even is the person who is the victim of the aggression is a cruiser.

How are they trapped? The old "Faction Police in CONCORD sov = CONCORD = Instapop Outlaws" was changed, outlaws can freely move in those systems.

gives people an extra source of income, selling the more undesirable members of the community some tags.

I'm against this for a simple reason that this brings another variable into the game that has very little to do with the game itself: personal wealth.

Suppose I am a rich high-sec suicide ganker: all I need to do is: gank, then buy a few plex, buy tags, repair sec status, and gank again. The only variable for me is my personal wealth in real life. Ergo, I pay to circumvent any negative penalties for my actions in high-sec.

This should never happen in a game. Also think about the opportunities for groups like the Goons. They are one of the wealthiest alliances in the game. This would allow them to maintain ganking targets in high-sec for as long as their alliance can financially support them.

The problem with what you created is that this has dire consequences if used by groups such as Goonswarm. A Burn Jita lasts 4 days now, and in that time, they can do a serious amount of damage and they're entitled to the fun they have during that period. However, with this new system in place, the time for a Burn Jita stranglehold could potentially increase from a few days (generally a long weekend) to a week, possibly weeks or even a month? Please bear in mind that if a major trade-hub like Jita is affected for several weeks, the EVE economy which is fueled by systems such as Jita is severely hindered or simply comes to a standstill. And all that because of say 200-250 individuals capable of continuing their gankfest due to a very healthy and wealthy alliance supporting them.

I understand the desire for tags for sec rating to be present, but this only favors the wealthy gamer. As such, the system is flawed and should never be released into the game. But hey, CCP sees that they can make more money with this, so I can guarantee you it will be shipped into Odyssey, no matter what we say.

This change is amazying, great buff to lowsec belt PvP.
High five.

It might actually be a good thing that someone is able to shut Jita down for an extended period of time. EVE needs more market diversity, this "everything to Jita" mentality annoys me.

What I dislike about the system is that it removes a major indication from the game. I've been in low sec for a long time and thanks to local could quickly see if a new arrival was a major threat or not. Someone with -10 was probably looking for a gank, so safespot up. Someone with 5.0 is very less likely to be on the prowl for low sec kills. And at least someone who was trying to keep his sec rating in check was at least removed from the gank lanes while he was ratting.

However with the tag system that rather vague indicator is even less useful. Someone with +5 might just have had a ton of ISK lying around (no idea if you can increase your sec past 0 with them).

And as others have said, it removes one more consequence from the game. Gank a Hulk, sell the loot, buy tags, gank next Hulk. Ore is expensive enough right now.

And look at it from the POV of the just-ganked Hulk; no one is offering him tags so he can replace his Hulk, he has to grind the ISK again.