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How Did They Escape Burn Jita?
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Pere Noir
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-04-25 21:58:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Pere Noir
Andski wrote:
Pere Noir wrote:
Hey, someone who might be able to answer the question! Care to tell?


Get a Nomad set and a webbing alt (preferably a Serpentis faction ship with an FN web) and you'll be out of there in moments, long before bumpers land.

while that's true, Locin said no webbing. Though, and I don't think I mentioned his earlier, wanting to keep some details back to verify things, he does specify it takes two people


edit: damn this game! it is sucking me back in!
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-04-25 21:59:24 UTC
Pere Noir wrote:

Nice second try. SOMEONE paid you, but they weren't Red Frog. Perhaps you should discuss it with the article's author, I believe he's in your alliance. More to the point, even if some of them DID pay you, the question is about how the ones who were being bumped escaped.



Yes, because I was totally bumping freighters in my gank-fit no-prop-mod Tornado Roll

Some got away because they paid the ransom. Some got away by dumb luck. Some got away because the bumpers screwed up. Some got away because we found better targets (pretty much all the Orcas, because we would find a more valuable freighter). Some got away by means that few will talk about because it might get ruled as an exploit.



And it wouldn't surprise me if Red Frog or any other pilots who got away by paying the ransom, then turned around and said they really got away because of their mad skillz. Seriously, who is going to brag about giving in to extortion when they can just as easily claim they ran away, and even did so without the aid of a webbing alt.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#23 - 2013-04-25 21:59:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Pere Noir wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I watched several freighters bumped into station alignment. Like it was a surprise when the freighters warped and docked.

I don't really get what was happening in these cases.

I especially enjoyed the bait freighters though. The Goons managed to get a lot of smartbomb kills of third-party bumpers, though I did also see this tactic backfire at least twice as it was used against them.

So it might have been counter bumping. It was one of my proposed solutions and, now that I think about it, the only one Locin evaded.

I hadn't considered counter-bumping. That actually would explain what I observed, along with the Goons retaliating with smartbomb runs on the do-gooders.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-04-25 22:01:31 UTC
Andski wrote:
Pere Noir wrote:
Hey, someone who might be able to answer the question! Care to tell?


Get a Nomad set and a webbing alt (preferably a Serpentis faction ship with an FN web) and you'll be out of there in moments, long before bumpers land.

The downside is that you won't be able to do a safe logoff because you'll be aggressed, but if you have a full web bonus (i.e. a Daredevil with Minmatar Frigate V) you take a lot less time to get into warp.

That said, I didn't take part in Burn Jita so I'm not entirely sure what these guys did to get away from bumpers.


Next year I shall spam Jita for my webbing services.

100 million and I'll enter a duel with you and web you.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#25 - 2013-04-25 22:03:02 UTC
If you happen to be bumped toward a celestial you can then warp to it right away, just like a quick undock bookmark.

If you got a fleet mate in a fast ship he could get 150 km in front of you allowing you to warp to him.

One way I thought of that's quite hard to set up is to place dozens of bookmarks all over the system so no matter what direction you are bumped you are moving toward a BM and can quickly warp.

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Pere Noir
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-04-25 22:03:04 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Pere Noir wrote:

Nice second try. SOMEONE paid you, but they weren't Red Frog. Perhaps you should discuss it with the article's author, I believe he's in your alliance. More to the point, even if some of them DID pay you, the question is about how the ones who were being bumped escaped.



Yes, because I was totally bumping freighters in my gank-fit no-prop-mod Tornado Roll

Some got away because they paid the ransom. Some got away by dumb luck. Some got away because the bumpers screwed up. Some got away because we found better targets (pretty much all the Orcas, because we would find a more valuable freighter). Some got away by means that few will talk about because it might get ruled as an exploit.

And it wouldn't surprise me if Red Frog or any other pilots who got away by paying the ransom, then turned around and said they really got away because of their mad skillz. Seriously, who is going to brag about giving in to extortion when they can just as easily claim they ran away, and even did so without the aid of a webbing alt.

so you don't actually know. even though in previous paragraph you state definitively what happened. Third strike. You're out. If you'd like people to believe the propaganda you're trying to sell, please go visit Mittens for lessons in how its done. You're really not very good at it.
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-04-25 22:03:40 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Pere Noir wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I watched several freighters bumped into station alignment. Like it was a surprise when the freighters warped and docked.

I don't really get what was happening in these cases.

I especially enjoyed the bait freighters though. The Goons managed to get a lot of smartbomb kills of third-party bumpers, though I did also see this tactic backfire at least twice as it was used against them.

So it might have been counter bumping. It was one of my proposed solutions and, now that I think about it, the only one Locin evaded.

I hadn't considered counter-bumping. That actually would explain what I observed, along with the Goons retaliating with smartbomb runs on the do-gooders.



The do-gooders were out in full force. Both screwing with bumpers and by taking out our DPS using kill rights.
Skorpynekomimi
#28 - 2013-04-25 22:04:16 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Andski wrote:
Pere Noir wrote:
Hey, someone who might be able to answer the question! Care to tell?


Get a Nomad set and a webbing alt (preferably a Serpentis faction ship with an FN web) and you'll be out of there in moments, long before bumpers land.

The downside is that you won't be able to do a safe logoff because you'll be aggressed, but if you have a full web bonus (i.e. a Daredevil with Minmatar Frigate V) you take a lot less time to get into warp.

That said, I didn't take part in Burn Jita so I'm not entirely sure what these guys did to get away from bumpers.


Next year I shall spam Jita for my webbing services.

100 million and I'll enter a duel with you and web you.


I can't help but wonder how many people will actually fall for such a blatant trap.

There's got to be some complete idiots out there. Even after the goons cleared the rabble out of jita and into my trade hub for the week.
Thanks for that, by the way. Nice to see some different scammers for a change.

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Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-04-25 22:06:41 UTC
Pere Noir wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Pere Noir wrote:

Nice second try. SOMEONE paid you, but they weren't Red Frog. Perhaps you should discuss it with the article's author, I believe he's in your alliance. More to the point, even if some of them DID pay you, the question is about how the ones who were being bumped escaped.



Yes, because I was totally bumping freighters in my gank-fit no-prop-mod Tornado Roll

Some got away because they paid the ransom. Some got away by dumb luck. Some got away because the bumpers screwed up. Some got away because we found better targets (pretty much all the Orcas, because we would find a more valuable freighter). Some got away by means that few will talk about because it might get ruled as an exploit.

And it wouldn't surprise me if Red Frog or any other pilots who got away by paying the ransom, then turned around and said they really got away because of their mad skillz. Seriously, who is going to brag about giving in to extortion when they can just as easily claim they ran away, and even did so without the aid of a webbing alt.

so you don't actually know. even though in previous paragraph you state definitively what happened. Third strike. You're out. If you'd like people to believe the propaganda you're trying to sell, please go visit Mittens for lessons in how its done. You're really not very good at it.



And your hearsay is so much better than my first hand account? I was there and have the killboards to back it up. You have nothing but rumors.
Pere Noir
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-04-25 22:11:22 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
And your hearsay is so much better than my first hand account? I was there and have the killboards to back it up. You have nothing but rumors.

I'm asking the question, not giving the answers, something you're purporting to be doing. If you've got some wallet logs or something, please share. Otherwise, your presence in Jita doesn't acually qualify you to answer, does it? Or perhaps the other 2000 people magically know the answer, you know, because They Were There.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#31 - 2013-04-25 22:12:40 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
how long does it take for a freighter to go down in a gank? could logi rep the freighter to stop it dying before concord got there?

Maybe. It depends on how many gankers there are. But remember that the logi is interfering in a limited engagement and will be flagged as a suspect.

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Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-04-25 22:16:42 UTC
Pere Noir wrote:

I'm asking the question, not giving the answers


Nice way of saying "I don't really know anything and wasn't actually there"

I know you don't like the answers you are given. You would rather believe none of these guys paid the ransom, used webbing alts, or used possible exploits. Your Goon Hate™ has been noted, have a nice day.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-04-25 22:17:46 UTC
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
I can't help but wonder how many people will actually fall for such a blatant trap.

There's got to be some complete idiots out there. Even after the goons cleared the rabble out of jita and into my trade hub for the week.
Thanks for that, by the way. Nice to see some different scammers for a change.


Look. If anyone is hands me over 100 million and accept my duel invation, then I'll be happy to web them. Its my e-Honor at stake!

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Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2013-04-25 22:19:11 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
how long does it take for a freighter to go down in a gank? could logi rep the freighter to stop it dying before concord got there?

Maybe. It depends on how many gankers there are. But remember that the logi is interfering in a limited engagement and will be flagged as a suspect.



People tried repping freighters, and anything short of a capital hull rep is pointless. Most of a freighters hp is in the structure and anything an armor or shield logi could put on could be chewed right back through in short order. And if we had enough alpha, the logis were totally unnoticed.
Pere Noir
Doomheim
#35 - 2013-04-25 22:28:34 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Pere Noir wrote:

I'm asking the question, not giving the answers


Nice way of saying "I don't really know anything and wasn't actually there"

I know you don't like the answers you are given. You would rather believe none of these guys paid the ransom, used webbing alts, or used possible exploits. Your Goon Hate™ has been noted, have a nice day.

You're just not very good at this. I don't want to "believe" anything. I want facts. Something you don't seem to have. I freely admit I wasn't there and don't know, which, again, is why I'm asking. I like to collect all the data before arriving at conclusions. It's your own alliance mate's article which makes it clear bumping happened and RF escaped it. Why don't you go ask that guy instead pulling things out of your ass.

I don't hate Goons. I admire their organizational skills greatly. I wish had their resources at my disposal. I can think of some really fun stuff to do with Miniluv.
Tank Talbot
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2013-04-25 22:30:15 UTC
Red Frog? They escaped the Burn Jita camps because to be frank and honest they were better than Goons. Simple enough to understand really. I'll remember to hire them if I've ever need.
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-04-25 22:50:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Shepard Wong Ogeko
Pere Noir wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Pere Noir wrote:

I'm asking the question, not giving the answers


Nice way of saying "I don't really know anything and wasn't actually there"

I know you don't like the answers you are given. You would rather believe none of these guys paid the ransom, used webbing alts, or used possible exploits. Your Goon Hate™ has been noted, have a nice day.

You're just not very good at this. I don't want to "believe" anything. I want facts. Something you don't seem to have. I freely admit I wasn't there and don't know, which, again, is why I'm asking. I like to collect all the data before arriving at conclusions. It's your own alliance mate's article which makes it clear bumping happened and RF escaped it. Why don't you go ask that guy instead pulling things out of your ass.

I don't hate Goons. I admire their organizational skills greatly. I wish had their resources at my disposal. I can think of some really fun stuff to do with Miniluv.



Seriously, you are taking one line out of an article that is mostly about the damage done during Burn Jita 2 and making too big a deal out of it. Hell, it isn't even a line as a parenthesis within a line that doesn't even mention a specific pilot. just the biggest shipping corp in all of Eve.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#38 - 2013-04-25 22:55:24 UTC
Tank Talbot wrote:
Red Frog? They escaped the Burn Jita camps because to be frank and honest they were better than Goons. Simple enough to understand really. I'll remember to hire them if I've ever need.

I don't understand. Better by doing what? I got ideas, but do not know what actually happened.....

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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2013-04-25 23:24:34 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Red Frogs pilots were professional enough to actually pay the "hauling license" that our bumpers were offering to line their own pockets.


At a rate of killing 2 freighters an hour, it wasn't like we were short on potential targets. Serious freighter pilots just paid the fee and went on their way, while the "F U Goons" weekend haulers got ganked.


I would hardly call anyone that hands over isk to Goonswarm in the hopes that they will honor their word "professional". I'd chug it to at most they were lucky that they didn't get scammed out of their isk and get blown up anyway.

It's just stupid to give goons isk for "protection"; even if once in a while, as in this case (*IF* it's true) they do end up honoring their word.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#40 - 2013-04-25 23:42:47 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
how long does it take for a freighter to go down in a gank? could logi rep the freighter to stop it dying before concord got there?

Maybe. It depends on how many gankers there are. But remember that the logi is interfering in a limited engagement and will be flagged as a suspect.


Wrong. An LE is only created if the Freighter shoots back.

From the WIKI:
" Limited Engagements are created when a player attacks another player in possession of a Criminal- or Suspect flag or is considered an Outlaw."

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