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How Did They Escape Burn Jita?

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Pere Noir
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-04-25 20:39:53 UTC
There is an article on themittani.com: http://themittani.com/news/alod-best-or-worst-burn-jita-2

In it, the author makes specific mention of this: "however, certain pilots were skilled enough to extricate themselves from the bumpers, kudos to you Red Frog)"

My question is how did they manage to escape the bumpers? Freighter pilots everywhere would like to know.

I chatted very briefly with a cagey (but nice) Locin Weeda. All he would say is that it doesn't take advantage of the "teleport" feature of a capped system and that there are no webbers involved. He did say they sometimes used safe logoff if they weren't aggressed.

Any ideas?
Dave Stark
#2 - 2013-04-25 20:43:44 UTC
were they regular freighters, or jump freighters? because i imagine jump freighters would have just jumped to a cyno (pretty sure i've seen undocking JFs jump from the jita to god knows where).

if they were regular freighters, then *shrug* haven't clue.
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-04-25 21:09:01 UTC
Red Frogs pilots were professional enough to actually pay the "hauling license" that our bumpers were offering to line their own pockets.


At a rate of killing 2 freighters an hour, it wasn't like we were short on potential targets. Serious freighter pilots just paid the fee and went on their way, while the "F U Goons" weekend haulers got ganked.
Pere Noir
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-04-25 21:12:58 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Red Frogs pilots were professional enough to actually pay the "hauling license" that our bumpers were offering to line their own pockets.


At a rate of killing 2 freighters an hour, it wasn't like we were short on potential targets. Serious freighter pilots just paid the fee and went on their way, while the "F U Goons" weekend haulers got ganked.

I'm absolutely certain they didn't pay you. If they had, they wouldn't have shown up in the article as eluding the bumpers.

Nice try though!
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-04-25 21:15:07 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Red Frogs pilots were professional enough to actually pay the "hauling license" that our bumpers were offering to line their own pockets.


At a rate of killing 2 freighters an hour, it wasn't like we were short on potential targets. Serious freighter pilots just paid the fee and went on their way, while the "F U Goons" weekend haulers got ganked.


Actually if they came in this system while it was full, all they had to do was make it to 4-4 and dock. Then log off, wait a minute, log back on, and let the game move them to an outlying system because Jita was full.

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Dave Stark
#6 - 2013-04-25 21:17:06 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Red Frogs pilots were professional enough to actually pay the "hauling license" that our bumpers were offering to line their own pockets.


At a rate of killing 2 freighters an hour, it wasn't like we were short on potential targets. Serious freighter pilots just paid the fee and went on their way, while the "F U Goons" weekend haulers got ganked.


Actually if they came in this system while it was full, all they had to do was make it to 4-4 and dock. Then log off, wait a minute, log back on, and let the game move them to an outlying system because Jita was full.


although the op clearly states he was told that wasn't the case.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2013-04-25 21:19:02 UTC
I loved the one Nomad who on seeing the blob decided to just go **** this Im outta here and cynoed out.
And that blob got cut down fast.
I feel sad for the obelisk who did ask for help on realizing his mistake but I was the only one with hull reppers and that typhoon pilot was good. (Scorpion was stupid, like you were really going to waste the ship on my osprey)
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-04-25 21:21:01 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
although the op clearly states he was told that wasn't the case.


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Jiska Ensa
Estrale Frontiers
#9 - 2013-04-25 21:23:13 UTC
coughRapiercoughDuelingcough

Or could have been something else.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#10 - 2013-04-25 21:24:22 UTC
If the ganking only happened in Jita and not also at the exit gates in neighbouring systems, a god enough insta bookmark will allow a freighter to warp off despite bumping ships. It will initiate warp and lose collision before a bump registers. From the bookmark they can then warp to a gate and go their merry way.
Pere Noir
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-04-25 21:26:51 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
If the ganking only happened in Jita and not also at the exit gates in neighbouring systems, a god enough insta bookmark will allow a freighter to warp off despite bumping ships. It will initiate warp and lose collision before a bump registers. From the bookmark they can then warp to a gate and go their merry way.

From the general description given and the brief convo with Locin, they clearly were bumped. The enemy definitely made contact and the statement "if they weren't aggressed" seems to indicate some other set of circumstances than simply quick warps.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#12 - 2013-04-25 21:30:26 UTC
Pere Noir wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
If the ganking only happened in Jita and not also at the exit gates in neighbouring systems, a god enough insta bookmark will allow a freighter to warp off despite bumping ships. It will initiate warp and lose collision before a bump registers. From the bookmark they can then warp to a gate and go their merry way.

From the general description given and the brief convo with Locin, they clearly were bumped. The enemy definitely made contact and the statement "if they weren't aggressed" seems to indicate some other set of circumstances than simply quick warps.

Well, that leaves one obvious option: They're full of ****.
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-04-25 21:31:34 UTC
Pere Noir wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Red Frogs pilots were professional enough to actually pay the "hauling license" that our bumpers were offering to line their own pockets.


At a rate of killing 2 freighters an hour, it wasn't like we were short on potential targets. Serious freighter pilots just paid the fee and went on their way, while the "F U Goons" weekend haulers got ganked.

I'm absolutely certain they didn't pay you. If they had, they wouldn't have shown up in the article as eluding the bumpers.

Nice try though!


I didn't make anything off bumping, because I wasn't a bumper. But I was in fleet (check eve-kill, I was even on that Golem kill in the article) and I assure you, plenty of freighter pilots paid the bumpers to let up.

Again though, not a big deal because as soon as 1 freighter pilot paid up, another potential victim was warping in. And the lesson is, don't be a loud mouth punk, pay the bumper to go bump some one else.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#14 - 2013-04-25 21:34:22 UTC
Blog shill alt posting detected....


There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-04-25 21:44:03 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Blog shill alt posting detected....




it isn't a blog

but please keep crying whenever somebody posts a link to TMC, it's amusing when pubbies wail about the smallest things

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Pere Noir
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-04-25 21:46:17 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Well, that leaves one obvious option: They're full of ****.

Who?

Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
I didn't make anything off bumping, because I wasn't a bumper. But I was in fleet (check eve-kill, I was even on that Golem kill in the article) and I assure you, plenty of freighter pilots paid the bumpers to let up.

Again though, not a big deal because as soon as 1 freighter pilot paid up, another potential victim was warping in. And the lesson is, don't be a loud mouth punk, pay the bumper to go bump some one else.

Nice second try. SOMEONE paid you, but they weren't Red Frog. Perhaps you should discuss it with the article's author, I believe he's in your alliance. More to the point, even if some of them DID pay you, the question is about how the ones who were being bumped escaped.
Andski wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Blog shill alt posting detected....


it isn't a blog

but please keep crying whenever somebody posts a link to TMC, it's amusing when pubbies wail about the smallest things

Hey, someone who might be able to answer the question! Care to tell?
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#17 - 2013-04-25 21:47:59 UTC
I watched several freighters bumped into station alignment. Like it was a surprise when the freighters warped and docked.

I don't really get what was happening in these cases.

I especially enjoyed the bait freighters though. The Goons managed to get a lot of smartbomb kills of third-party bumpers, though I did also see this tactic backfire at least twice as it was used against them.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
Insidious.
#18 - 2013-04-25 21:48:00 UTC
how long does it take for a freighter to go down in a gank? could logi rep the freighter to stop it dying before concord got there?
Pere Noir
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-04-25 21:50:16 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I watched several freighters bumped into station alignment. Like it was a surprise when the freighters warped and docked.

I don't really get what was happening in these cases.

I especially enjoyed the bait freighters though. The Goons managed to get a lot of smartbomb kills of third-party bumpers, though I did also see this tactic backfire at least twice as it was used against them.

So it might have been counter bumping. It was one of my proposed solutions and, now that I think about it, the only one Locin evaded.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-04-25 21:56:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Pere Noir wrote:
Hey, someone who might be able to answer the question! Care to tell?


Get a Nomad set and a webbing alt (preferably a Serpentis faction ship with an FN web) and you'll be out of there in moments, long before bumpers land.

The downside is that you won't be able to do a safe logoff because you'll be aggressed, but if you have a full web bonus (i.e. a Daredevil with Minmatar Frigate V) you take a lot less time to get into warp.

That said, I didn't take part in Burn Jita so I'm not entirely sure what these guys did to get away from bumpers. I know our guys used bump-fit Machariels, so I'd be surprised if it was counter-bumping.

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