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CSM Skype logs leaked

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Prince Kobol
#1 - 2013-04-24 20:31:57 UTC
Well done to who ever did this.

All you have done is make the CSM even less effective then it already is by breaking the trust between the CSM and CCP.

As for what the Skype log contains I will leave it to other people as I am sure many people have already read it.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#2 - 2013-04-24 20:34:45 UTC
Hmm... Let me guess: It contains nothing of real consequence?

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Prince Kobol
#3 - 2013-04-24 20:39:08 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Hmm... Let me guess: It contains nothing of real consequence?


actually it did.. that is the shame of it
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#4 - 2013-04-24 20:40:01 UTC
Doesn't matter if the content is 'nothing special' - the *trust* is special. Break that, and the CSM will vanish.

Which kinda re-enforces the OP's position.

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Tank Talbot
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-04-24 20:45:10 UTC
Hmm... It’s an interesting read. All kinds of little details there. Particularly the senior developer caught cheating and that other deal with player messages being intercepted. I am curious who would leak this and what their actual aims are. Doesn’t seem the kind of thing and these kind of details to be done randomly.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#6 - 2013-04-24 20:46:23 UTC
Shitstorm ahead. The fallout from this will probably be more interesting than the actual logs.

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Prince Kobol
#7 - 2013-04-24 20:46:53 UTC
Tank Talbot wrote:
Hmm... It’s an interesting read. All kinds of little details there. Particularly the senior developer caught cheating and that other deal with player messages being intercepted. I am curious who would leak this and what their actual aims are. Doesn’t seem the kind of thing and these kind of details to be done randomly.


Moron and for attention....
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#8 - 2013-04-24 20:48:03 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
Shitstorm ahead. The fallout from this will probably be more interesting than the actual logs.

I'm more curious about the legal ramifications of the NDA breach.

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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-04-24 20:48:22 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Well done to who ever did this.

All you have done is make the CSM even less effective then it already is by breaking the trust between the CSM and CCP.

As for what the Skype log contains I will leave it to other people as I am sure many people have already read it.

Thanks, I'm now wasting time at work searching for this.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-04-24 20:51:29 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Doesn't matter if the content is 'nothing special' - the *trust* is special. Break that, and the CSM will vanish.

Which kinda re-enforces the OP's position.



CSM vanish?

Good.
Ovv Topik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-04-24 20:52:58 UTC
I'll probably be banned for this...
...but I think I might know who's behind it.

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

Tank Talbot
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-04-24 20:53:17 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Tank Talbot wrote:
Hmm... It’s an interesting read. All kinds of little details there. Particularly the senior developer caught cheating and that other deal with player messages being intercepted. I am curious who would leak this and what their actual aims are. Doesn’t seem the kind of thing and these kind of details to be done randomly.


Moron and for attention....


LOL. Sure, you could say it was done by an attention seeking moron. But EVE's metagame is so big that I wouldn't put it past a troll with a point. I am not sure what this really means for the CSM and it reaches up the food chain some.
Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-04-24 20:58:38 UTC
This thread will, and probably should be locked. Not because I like the lockdown of information, but so short before fanfest, it's simply major spoilers that I would rather get from a proper presentation in two days times anyway. Post-fanfest, the logs should be open discussion, just because they are now out there.

On the contents of the leak: I am not going to spoil surprises planned for fanfest, but the logs DO contain some (very) interesting nuggets and I like quite a bit of what I am reading. Big smile

On the topic of the leak itself: Sad Sad for the next CSM, though CCP probably always knew sth like that could happen. I hope they don't clamp up and continue open discussion with the next CSM.
Dave Stark
#14 - 2013-04-24 21:01:16 UTC
ibtl
rumour mongering.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#15 - 2013-04-24 21:02:20 UTC
Downloading the logs is probably an EULA breech Shocked

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#16 - 2013-04-24 21:04:30 UTC
First time the logs were leaked to the general public anyway.

CSM should be dissolved and CCP needs to find an alternative PR stunt.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-04-24 21:08:38 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
First time the logs were leaked to the general public anyway.

CSM should be dissolved and CCP needs to find an alternative PR stunt.



One thing reading the logs really does: Clear up a lot of the FUD about the CSM. If you are that negative, give it a read. If you are actually honest, and not just trolling, you'll get a more nuanced view of what they are - sometimes - doing. What I am reading ... CSM is a good institution and deserves to be a part of the developer-player interaction.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#18 - 2013-04-24 21:12:26 UTC
Karsa Egivand wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
First time the logs were leaked to the general public anyway.

CSM should be dissolved and CCP needs to find an alternative PR stunt.



One thing reading the logs really does: Clear up a lot of the FUD about the CSM. If you are that negative, give it a read. If you are actually honest, and not just trolling, you'll get a more nuanced view of what they are - sometimes - doing. What I am reading ... CSM is a good institution and deserves to be a part of the developer-player interaction.



Some of us were actually here when the CSM got created and know why it was created and the difference between what was promised and what we got.

My statement stands, and I'm definitely not gonna have enough popcorn for this latest CCP dramabomb.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
WhyTry1
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#19 - 2013-04-24 21:16:00 UTC
So let me get this straight. In a game that CCP fully endorse metagaming, scamming, skulldiggery - your complaining about somebody doing that. Hmmm

CCP, CSM got metagamed simple as.. Eve is harsh, cruel world eh....
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-04-24 21:17:51 UTC
Covert attempts by Hilmar to discredit the CSM and dissolve it. Obviously. Don't you guys even know how to /connect-the-dots ?
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