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Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#1 - 2013-04-24 15:54:48 UTC
Certified Executive Oddball of my first EVE Corp, and while I have beta-tested this on SISI a number of times and deployed a POS a few times (that was fun... not) - I think I am coming to the point where I must setup one in Amarr Space (0.5) system and figure out how to feed and care for it while making it do something other then become space navigational garbage or a practice target.

So, noob me is going to ask, how does one:

1. deploy a POS in HS, 0.5 - as in defensive layouts, modules for Sci&Ind and all that... I mine, I refine, and I am now doing invention (limited by using NPC slots atm), and a few other things.

2. I am offline for a good portion of each day but can put in a few hours each night to work with things...

I don't think I need a "****-star" or a "death-star" but I would like to make sure it can deal with any hostile entities in HS... I have never attacked or defended a POS (yes now you can all say... oh no need for guns.. *then hoard in and blow me to ribbons)... and I don't know what the heck I am doing with it, so in the tradition of the US when no information is there, the fact are not in, and no clue about how to sensibly do things.. I am going a head anyway and trying my best not to shot myself in the foot as I go... so any help/info is appreciated.

Signed,

Clueless Eccentric Overreactor.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#2 - 2013-04-24 16:07:15 UTC
0.5 pos will be relatively safe at all times (barring a 'dec).

My standard POS layout is

large stick (whichever, though Amarr or Minmatar are preferred)
9 hardeners in 3/3/2/1 compared to the resists (POS are 0/0/25/50). 5 would be OK in HS. These are always online.
Whichever labs (or other storage) I need to do what I want.
As many guns (Lasers for Amarr, Projectiles for everyone else), and ewar as I can online with the remaining PG, laid out in 3-d '+' shapes, at the top, bottom, and cardinal points of the equator.
Spare guns and EWAR, loaded and anchored just waiting to be onlined.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Haulie Berry
#3 - 2013-04-24 16:18:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
In high sec, I pretty much just use hardeners and ECM.

I've only ever received aggression when my tower was offline. When I was doing T3 production, I had a tendency to offline my tower while it was idle (T3 research and building is pretty quick, and even throwing 10-20 billion into it there was no need to run jobs around the clock) to save fuel, because I'm cheap. I caught a dec once, onlined the tower, and it was retracted.

I've lost a couple of towers in high sec because I have a tendency to take extended breaks from the game when I get bored, and in that state, I can't really find the motivation to pull my tower down. The last time this happened, my POS had been offline for several months before anyone got around to kicking it over.

Unless someone has an axe to grind with you, few people will bother a POS in high sec that is actually being tended to. POS bashers aren't looking for a fight - they're looking for easy money.
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#4 - 2013-04-24 16:20:49 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
0.5 pos will be relatively safe at all times (barring a 'dec).

My standard POS layout is

large stick (whichever, though Amarr or Minmatar are preferred)
9 hardeners in 3/3/2/1 compared to the resists (POS are 0/0/25/50). 5 would be OK in HS. These are always online.
Whichever labs (or other storage) I need to do what I want.
As many guns (Lasers for Amarr, Projectiles for everyone else), and ewar as I can online with the remaining PG, laid out in 3-d '+' shapes, at the top, bottom, and cardinal points of the equator.
Spare guns and EWAR, loaded and anchored just waiting to be onlined.


Ah, so you deploy "prep" guns and such for online, when and if you need to augment the defense... learned something there.

I wish there was something more like a one-man station that you could anchor anywhere you could anchor a can, have it be a simply single structure, but out fit it with modules like a ship, but it works like a mini-pos, and then when your done you can scoop it up and move along... that would make the game so much more fun for POS work. Player-Owned Starbase needs a smaller cousin, the "Player-Owned Space Barge" or something like that...seems they could make such a thing: use the ship fitting and guns, make it have some features like a Roqual (where it deploys) and then give it some features (reduced) like a POS - ok, I know I am dreaming...

IF someone war dec's my me, my corp of one-ness, and my POS - what should I do? run, log and hide for months? get out the guns and knife and make a cut on my own chest, beat the war drums and charge into the fray? or just blink and count the wrecked modules?
Haulie Berry
#5 - 2013-04-24 16:23:05 UTC
Aurelius Valentius wrote:

IF someone war dec's my me, my corp of one-ness, and my POS - what should I do? run, log and hide for months? get out the guns and knife and make a cut on my own chest, beat the war drums and charge into the fray? or just blink and count the wrecked modules?


See my above post about this, but in the event that you DO catch a dec, you will have 24 hours to pull your POS down (if you choose) or prepare to defend it. What you actually choose to do is entirely up to you and will likely depend on who is doing the deccing.
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#6 - 2013-04-24 16:48:07 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Aurelius Valentius wrote:

IF someone war dec's my me, my corp of one-ness, and my POS - what should I do? run, log and hide for months? get out the guns and knife and make a cut on my own chest, beat the war drums and charge into the fray? or just blink and count the wrecked modules?


See my above post about this, but in the event that you DO catch a dec, you will have 24 hours to pull your POS down (if you choose) or prepare to defend it. What you actually choose to do is entirely up to you and will likely depend on who is doing the deccing.


I was just watching a vid on HS Pos and the person was saying that the only reason to "kick-over" a POS in HS is to collect and sell things like labs and other high value modules you can pick up... I assume then that not having, or a limited number of such things is also a deterant.

Atm I am working on the tower cost, and thinking an Amarr small just to get some practice with it, then move up to a medium/large as needed - unless trying to get one right off is demanded.

Then just put up a hangar(s) for storage of minerals and try it in a system I want to mine in daily - if it works to be profitable then I could always anchor it for good, there are a bunch of empty moons so location isn't an issue.

I also understand that if you do have labs, you can - if there is an NPC station in system - leave your BPOs in the station and still run them through the labs, so that they are never at risk if the POS is trashed.

I am learning so much, it's frightening!
Haulie Berry
#7 - 2013-04-24 17:08:42 UTC
Generally speaking, for a HS POS, go Caldari or go home. There aren't a lot of good reasons to put a POS in high sec. The primary service they offer to you is the ability to get some private research slots. Lab modules take a lot of CPU, Caldari towers have the most CPU.
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#8 - 2013-04-24 17:14:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Aurelius Valentius
Haulie Berry wrote:
Generally speaking, for a HS POS, go Caldari or go home. There aren't a lot of good reasons to put a POS in high sec. The primary service they offer to you is the ability to get some private research slots. Lab modules take a lot of CPU, Caldari towers have the most CPU.


I was thinking of this rather than labs:

1 small amarr tower
3 hangars
6 med pulse lasers
fuel for 1 day

I just need something to throw ore into while in a system with no stations, then I can haul it out and refine it next system over, and then tear down the POS at the end of the day and repeat as needed.
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
#9 - 2013-04-24 17:23:56 UTC  |  Edited by: DeLindsay
Another thing, try and locate your POS in a system with an NPC station that you can purchase a Corp Office. You can store your valuable BPO's there, research them at the POS, then when finished they get moved to the station for near total safety (it's only venerable while being researched at the POS) and you didn't have to move anything yourself.

  • Get Evemon and enable Notifications for offline notice of War Dec.
  • Your Corp will req 5.0 standing towards the Faction space in order to anchor in a 0.5 system, i.e. Amarr.
  • Offline any batteries until the day you get dec'd.
  • Don't tell ANYONE where your POS is.
  • Don't be a douche in local (helps with not getting dec'd).
  • Don't have your POS system as your home system (but make it near so you can get there quickly).
  • Conversely to above, have a JC in the POS system at an NPC station ready to go at a moments notice.
  • Iirc, Caldari Medium is the best all rounder for researching with it's CPU capacity and lower fuel reqs than Large.
  • DO NOT underestimate how much fuel a POS consumes, it's MUCH more than you think. And you will need no less than 1-week on hand AT the POS to include hardening use just in case of WD and they actually attack your POS . I always keep 3-4 weeks supply just in case.
    • [*] DO NOT Refine at a POS, use an NPC station.

    The Operative: "There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".

    Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: "You have no idea how true that is".
    Haulie Berry
    #10 - 2013-04-24 17:27:06 UTC
    Well. Whatever floats your boat, I guess, but that sounds horribly inefficient to me, and I kind of read it as, "Well, I'm gonna build a money-printing factory, and then, instead of printing money with it, I'm going to store some junk in it for a little bit and then tear it down."
    Skorpynekomimi
    #11 - 2013-04-24 17:33:03 UTC
    Make sure to keep the stront and fuel bays topped up.

    Anchor guns and ECM. Don't online them unless you need them; you need that pg and cpu for profitable stuff.

    Figure out what you need to use it for, and have a plan. Also, have a plan to online defenses/tear it down should you need to.

    Economic PVP
    Elena Thiesant
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #12 - 2013-04-24 17:36:16 UTC
    Aurelius Valentius wrote:
    I just need something to throw ore into while in a system with no stations, then I can haul it out and refine it next system over, and then tear down the POS at the end of the day and repeat as needed.


    Why not just drop a freight container at a safespot and use that ? Doesn't despawn, doesn't cost what a POS does.
    Aurelius Valentius
    Valentius Corporation
    Valentius Corporation Alliance
    #13 - 2013-04-24 17:49:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Aurelius Valentius
    Elena Thiesant wrote:
    Aurelius Valentius wrote:
    I just need something to throw ore into while in a system with no stations, then I can haul it out and refine it next system over, and then tear down the POS at the end of the day and repeat as needed.


    Why not just drop a freight container at a safespot and use that ? Doesn't despawn, doesn't cost what a POS does.


    Well the problem I have is this: and it's probably why no one is yet ripping the guts out of this system.

    There are about 21-23 Fiery Kernite per belt and more than 20 some belts... very nice, not to meniton the rest of the luminous and standard and then all the rest... just the Fiery is an eye-popper.

    Problem: no station in system at all... lots of moons, no station.
    Solution: Put up something with lots of storage space, e.g. a POS with Hangars.

    Problem: Station 1 jump over the refining is at 30% = crap...
    Solution: Home station not to far 2-3 jumps (can't remember), has 100% at station... so close by.

    So I wanted to take my single self into the system in the orca, unload the POS - online line it, park the RV (Orca) then deploy the Mack and go a mining like mad and pile up stuff in my POS hangar, then once I am so bored of "Zotting" Rocks, I can go back, use the orca to move the ore in a few trips to the station with 100% refining, then pack up the Tower and the stuff and head in for Tea and Broccoli snaps... and call it a successful Fiery Kernite day... but then this is just one possible option... I can't seem to attract a hoard of noobs to mine it for me, guess they are getting smarter...
    Elena Thiesant
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #14 - 2013-04-24 18:03:00 UTC
    Alternative:
    Drop a freight container in a safe spot (they're small enough packaged that any ship can carry them and they deploy when jetted)
    Mine like crazy, offload ore into container in safe spot
    When had enough, fetch orca from nearest station and haul ore.

    Cheaper than a tower, no fuel required, no faction standings required.
    Haulie Berry
    #15 - 2013-04-24 18:08:22 UTC
    Elena Thiesant wrote:
    Alternative:
    Drop a freight container in a safe spot (they're small enough packaged that any ship can carry them and they deploy when jetted)
    Mine like crazy, offload ore into container in safe spot
    When had enough, fetch orca from nearest station and haul ore.

    Cheaper than a tower, no fuel required, no faction standings required.



    This would definitely be a better plan. It still seems like an awful lot of work for the slave-wages that mining pays, though.
    MaximusDog
    Blue Republic
    RvB - BLUE Republic
    #16 - 2013-04-24 18:08:25 UTC  |  Edited by: MaximusDog
    DeLindsay wrote:
    Another thing, try and locate your POS in a system with an NPC station that you can purchase a Corp Office. You can store your valuable BPO's there, research them at the POS, then when finished they get moved to the station for near total safety (it's only venerable while being researched at the POS) and you didn't have to move anything yourself.

  • Get Evemon and enable Notifications for offline notice of War Dec.
  • Your Corp will req 5.0 standing towards the Faction space in order to anchor in a 0.5 system, i.e. Amarr.
  • Offline any batteries until the day you get dec'd.
  • Don't tell ANYONE where your POS is.
  • Don't be a douche in local (helps with not getting dec'd).
  • Don't have your POS system as your home system (but make it near so you can get there quickly).
  • Conversely to above, have a JC in the POS system at an NPC station ready to go at a moments notice.
  • Iirc, Caldari Medium is the best all rounder for researching with it's CPU capacity and lower fuel reqs than Large.
  • DO NOT underestimate how much fuel a POS consumes, it's MUCH more than you think. And you will need no less than 1-week on hand AT the POS to include hardening use just in case of WD and they actually attack your POS . I always keep 3-4 weeks supply just in case.
  • DO NOT Refine at a POS, use an NPC station.



    • What is the purpose or use of a Corporate office, if you already have a POS in system.??
    Aurelius Valentius
    Valentius Corporation
    Valentius Corporation Alliance
    #17 - 2013-04-24 18:09:13 UTC
    Elena Thiesant wrote:
    Alternative:
    Drop a freight container in a safe spot (they're small enough packaged that any ship can carry them and they deploy when jetted)
    Mine like crazy, offload ore into container in safe spot
    When had enough, fetch orca from nearest station and haul ore.

    Cheaper than a tower, no fuel required, no faction standings required.


    Really? hmmm... ok I might give this a go and see what happens - sounds like it might work - didn't know they deploy when you kick one out the hatch... so might be the solution. Thx!
    Haulie Berry
    #18 - 2013-04-24 18:14:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
    MaximusDog wrote:
    DeLindsay wrote:
    Another thing, try and locate your POS in a system with an NPC station that you can purchase a Corp Office. You can store your valuable BPO's there, research them at the POS, then when finished they get moved to the station for near total safety (it's only venerable while being researched at the POS) and you didn't have to move anything yourself.

  • Get Evemon and enable Notifications for offline notice of War Dec.
  • Your Corp will req 5.0 standing towards the Faction space in order to anchor in a 0.5 system, i.e. Amarr.
  • Offline any batteries until the day you get dec'd.
  • Don't tell ANYONE where your POS is.
  • Don't be a douche in local (helps with not getting dec'd).
  • Don't have your POS system as your home system (but make it near so you can get there quickly).
  • Conversely to above, have a JC in the POS system at an NPC station ready to go at a moments notice.
  • Iirc, Caldari Medium is the best all rounder for researching with it's CPU capacity and lower fuel reqs than Large.
  • DO NOT underestimate how much fuel a POS consumes, it's MUCH more than you think. And you will need no less than 1-week on hand AT the POS to include hardening use just in case of WD and they actually attack your POS . I always keep 3-4 weeks supply just in case.
  • DO NOT Refine at a POS, use an NPC station.



    • What is the purpose or use of a Corporate office, if you already have a POS in system.??


    ...He said, right there:

    "...an NPC station that you can purchase a Corp Office. You can store your valuable BPO's there..."

    He did get one thing wrong, though:

    You do NOT have to move your BPO to the POS to research it - nor should you EVER do that. The BPOs stay in the station at ALL times. They do NOT need to be moved into the POS to do research on them. You can plug them directly into the lab line from the NPC station and when they are finished researching they will be delivered back to your corporate hangar.

    If your BPOs are vulnerable while being researched, you're doing it very wrong.
    DeLindsay
    Galaxies Fall
    #19 - 2013-04-24 18:19:15 UTC
    Quote:
    You do NOT have to move your BPO to the POS to research it - nor should you EVER do that. The BPOs stay in the station at ALL times. They do NOT need to be moved into the POS to do research on them. You can plug them directly into the lab line from the NPC station and when they are finished researching they will be delivered back to your corporate hangar


    I never said you move them to the POS, however I did think that they were allocated to said POS during the research and therefore vulnerable during that time, I stand corrected.

    The Operative: "There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".

    Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: "You have no idea how true that is".
    Iosue
    League of Gentlemen
    The Initiative.
    #20 - 2013-04-24 18:34:32 UTC
    Aurelius Valentius wrote:
    Elena Thiesant wrote:
    Alternative:
    Drop a freight container in a safe spot (they're small enough packaged that any ship can carry them and they deploy when jetted)
    Mine like crazy, offload ore into container in safe spot
    When had enough, fetch orca from nearest station and haul ore.

    Cheaper than a tower, no fuel required, no faction standings required.


    Really? hmmm... ok I might give this a go and see what happens - sounds like it might work - didn't know they deploy when you kick one out the hatch... so might be the solution. Thx!


    this is the solution you're looking for. i say this having experience operating POSs in hisec and null. if all you want is storage space, it's much better to use the enormous freight can and not pay for fuel just for the heck of it.

    with the freight can, you can; deploy from any ship able to hold the packaged version, it will only be accessible to the character deploying (however other toons can deposit into it), it can't be scanned down if at a safe spot, it can only be scooped by a freighter (anyone can scoop it if they have a freighter tho) and they don't despawn. no reason to setup a POS if you don't need to.

    otoh, if you just want a hi-sec pos, i'd suggest using a small with no defenses. reason being, someone will need to wardec you in order to shoot it, and that means you'll have at least 24 hrs to either arm it or remove it. in all likelyhood, no one is gonna dec you unless you give them a reason to. gl.
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