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T2 cap rigs and w-space

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Craggus
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-04-24 15:24:28 UTC
So once t2 cap rigs are introduced, will t2 rigs still be a thing? 5 times the material cost would put some commonly used t2 rigs above the cost of a carrier hull. As of this moment, my caps are t2 rigged.

Also, this is more of a discussion starter than a question.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-04-24 16:44:01 UTC
Have they even confirmed if they will be introducing T2 capital rigs? If they do and the price is 5 times that of the large T2, i can't see many people willing to pay 3 billion plus to rig their caps.
Grainsalt
Independent'R'Us
#3 - 2013-04-24 16:58:31 UTC
If this is true I would suspect most people would use T2 capital rigs on supers only.
Craggus
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-04-24 17:10:08 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Have they even confirmed if they will be introducing T2 capital rigs? If they do and the price is 5 times that of the large T2, i can't see many people willing to pay 3 billion plus to rig their caps.


I have not seen confirmation, but I did see a pastebin somewhere suggesting they would be, though. I'll see if I can't find it again.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#5 - 2013-04-24 17:20:07 UTC
The potential price rise is a concern, definitely going to make people a lot more reluctant to actually use their capitals in w-space and to a lesser degree lowsec if the t1 rigs are a lot more expensive and fitting t2 ones is significantly more than the hull price.
Craggus
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-04-24 18:08:09 UTC
TBH, this change should be no surprise. However, the way it is being done seems to be alienating normal caps from even considering T2 rigs. Perhaps, CCP should implement a change to rig salvage costs and keep the current "tiers" of rigs plus add a 'super' rigs. Maybe base the salvage requirements off that tiers' ships mineral requirements?

I'm no good with suggesting changes, so if this is terrible, just ignore it. :3
rockbitter
Imaginary Time Ltd
#7 - 2013-04-24 18:37:45 UTC
Sounds like now is the time to fit all my Caps with T2 Large Rigs. After the patch it will cost a lot more.

I will assume CCP will follow the past and if its fit it stays. Or will I get a refund for all my Frigs that have large rigs on them?
Craggus
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-04-24 18:59:11 UTC
rockbitter wrote:
Sounds like now is the time to fit all my Caps with T2 Large Rigs. After the patch it will cost a lot more.

I will assume CCP will follow the past and if its fit it stays. Or will I get a refund for all my Frigs that have large rigs on them?


The dev post said if it fits now, it will work then.
Indo Nira
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-04-24 19:36:05 UTC
rockbitter wrote:
Sounds like now is the time to fit all my Caps with T2 Large Rigs. After the patch it will cost a lot more.

I will assume CCP will follow the past and if its fit it stays. Or will I get a refund for all my Frigs that have large rigs on them?


now is kinda late, as they already cost quite a bit (people bought them all up, in whole regions at a time) and reselling them at higher prices already
Craggus
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-04-24 19:56:45 UTC
Indo Nira wrote:
rockbitter wrote:
Sounds like now is the time to fit all my Caps with T2 Large Rigs. After the patch it will cost a lot more.

I will assume CCP will follow the past and if its fit it stays. Or will I get a refund for all my Frigs that have large rigs on them?


now is kinda late, as they already cost quite a bit (people bought them all up, in whole regions at a time) and reselling them at higher prices already


Basically, those of us that already have them are elite :3
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#11 - 2013-04-24 21:30:56 UTC
No big deal, just buy like 10 archons and fit them all with T2 CCC's and you're set. It's funny how the CCP post doesn't make it clear if they intend to create T2 capital rigs either. If they don't, I'm going to literally die of laughter while I roll around in my pimp T2 rigged cap that nobody else can ever get unless they themselves had some before the patch.

Also, the T2 rigs are expensive now because of the speculation, so just build your own, not terribly hard.
Craggus
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-04-24 22:35:51 UTC
Guess I'll be buying a Moros several months before my alt can even sit in it \o/
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#13 - 2013-04-24 23:46:46 UTC
Craggus wrote:
Guess I'll be buying a Moros several months before my alt can even sit in it \o/


Why? The only T2 rigs worth fitting to a moros are T2 gun rigs which are already super cheap (~30mil) now, and will only be ~150mil post patch, not really worth tying up around 3bil worth of isk just to save 120mil in 2-3 months.

It's really only worth it for fitting expensive T2 rigs, i.e. trimarks, CCC's, semiconductors, w/e, and I can't see a reason why you would fit any of those to a dread, just not worth it in pretty much any case unless you're giga rich and just don't care.
Indo Nira
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-04-24 23:52:21 UTC
Angsty Teenager wrote:
Craggus wrote:
Guess I'll be buying a Moros several months before my alt can even sit in it \o/


Why? The only T2 rigs worth fitting to a moros are T2 gun rigs which are already super cheap (~30mil) now, and will only be ~150mil post patch, not really worth tying up around 3bil worth of isk just to save 120mil in 2-3 months.

It's really only worth it for fitting expensive T2 rigs, i.e. trimarks, CCC's, semiconductors, w/e, and I can't see a reason why you would fit any of those to a dread, just not worth it in pretty much any case unless you're giga rich and just don't care.


not sure if serious, and not sure if a wormholer.
Craggus
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-04-24 23:55:38 UTC
Angsty Teenager wrote:
Craggus wrote:
Guess I'll be buying a Moros several months before my alt can even sit in it \o/


Why? The only T2 rigs worth fitting to a moros are T2 gun rigs which are already super cheap (~30mil) now, and will only be ~150mil post patch, not really worth tying up around 3bil worth of isk just to save 120mil in 2-3 months.

It's really only worth it for fitting expensive T2 rigs, i.e. trimarks, CCC's, semiconductors, w/e, and I can't see a reason why you would fit any of those to a dread, just not worth it in pretty much any case unless you're giga rich and just don't care.


With the groups I've flown with in C5's, their standard fits for dreads and carriers all included T2 semiconductors and trimarks, sooooo.... vOv

Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-04-25 00:03:07 UTC
Angsty Teenager wrote:
Craggus wrote:
Guess I'll be buying a Moros several months before my alt can even sit in it \o/


Why? The only T2 rigs worth fitting to a moros are T2 gun rigs which are already super cheap (~30mil) now, and will only be ~150mil post patch, not really worth tying up around 3bil worth of isk just to save 120mil in 2-3 months.

T2 trimarks ftw.

yeah, it's anoying that the cost is going up x5. personally I feel it's a silly change.
it's not really gonna affect the way i fit my caps though.
I am going to buy probably half a dozen archons and T2 CCC them before the changes however ;)

most of my dreads are fit with just the 1 T2 gun rig and 2 T1 trimarks so that's not much of a problem.

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Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#17 - 2013-04-25 02:12:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Angsty Teenager
Craggus wrote:


With the groups I've flown with in C5's, their standard fits for dreads and carriers all included T2 semiconductors and trimarks, sooooo.... vOv


I personally think a lot of groups in high class wormholes are somewhat deluded.

Your choice to fit T2 trimarks and semiconductors to dreads if you want, but imo right now they're absolutely not cost effective or useful in any way. Neither are useful in pve in any way, and they only offer marginal utility in pvp over just t1 rigs. (And I'd argue that a T2 gun rig + 2 t1 trimarks is the best possible rigging setup for a pvp dread anyway).

T2 CCC's are worth it on an archon though, and like Jack mentioned, you'd be wise to buy some archons and rig them with T2 CCC's since even if you don't use them yourself down the line (saving them as replacements in a sense), somebody will definitely buy your archon, and you'll make a pretty penny since 2 t2 CCC's costs around 400mil right now, but post patch assuming 5x cost, 2 of them will be worth 2bil. So you're potentially making ~1.6bil per archon you rig with T2 CCC's, which is essentially a 100% return on investment (since it''ll cost you around 1.6-1.7bil to buy the archon and rigs in the first place).
Craggus
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-04-25 02:27:24 UTC
Angsty Teenager wrote:
Craggus wrote:


With the groups I've flown with in C5's, their standard fits for dreads and carriers all included T2 semiconductors and trimarks, sooooo.... vOv


I personally think a lot of groups in high class wormholes are somewhat deluded.

Your choice to fit T2 trimarks and semiconductors to dreads if you want, but imo right now they're absolutely not cost effective or useful in any way. Neither are useful in pve in any way, and they only offer marginal utility in pvp over just t1 rigs. (And I'd argue that a T2 gun rig + 2 t1 trimarks is the best possible rigging setup for a pvp dread anyway).

T2 CCC's are worth it on an archon though, and like Jack mentioned, you'd be wise to buy some archons and rig them with T2 CCC's since even if you don't use them yourself down the line (saving them as replacements in a sense), somebody will definitely buy your archon, and you'll make a pretty penny since 2 t2 CCC's costs around 400mil right now, but post patch assuming 5x cost, 2 of them will be worth 2bil. So you're potentially making ~1.6bil per archon you rig with T2 CCC's, which is essentially a 100% return on investment (since it''ll cost you around 1.6-1.7bil to buy the archon and rigs in the first place).


Heh, I prefer semiconductors over CCC's.

But, I think we're getting a bit off-topic. The fact remains, it seems it might be a good idea to buy a couple (or whatever you can afford) of dreads and/or carriers and fit whatever rigs you prefer to use on them now rather than wait until after the expansion. I for one just picked up a few T2 large rigs and will be putting them on ships in the next couple of days.
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#19 - 2013-04-25 02:30:41 UTC
Doesn't even have to be T2 rigs, even T1 rigs are worth rigging now if you're going planning on using a cap in the next 3-4 months, but haven't bought it.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-04-25 08:16:37 UTC
Angsty Teenager wrote:
[quote=Craggus]Your choice to fit T2 trimarks and semiconductors to dreads if you want, but imo right now they're absolutely not cost effective or useful in any way. Neither are useful in pve in any way, and they only offer marginal utility in pvp over just t1 rigs.

you dont run wh PVE do you?
t2 memcells are beyond awesome for PVE.
they are also epic win on shield tanked PVP dreads, also, T2 trimarks are clearly better than T1 trimarks lol, youre not arguing your way around that.

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