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A plan to give balance to cloaking (Images)
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Lucien Visteen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#361 - 2012-03-03 17:03:44 UTC
Misanth wrote:
Since you mention how good the cloak is on non-covert-ops ships, I keep wondering if you actually fitted those mods yourself?


Since you asked I will answer. Other than that I have more or less put this case behind me. CCP have shown that they are working on something and I will see what that is, before I take this up again.

From my experience in how this vent was that the hunter would log in when there where few present in the system he wanted to hunt, drop probes, and cloak. Then he would do a rudimentary scan to find the basic sites after witch he would either call in the probes and stay, or go to another system and repeat. Then said hunter would just be there. Waiting for complacency, and us not fielding ships for combat but for grind, and would be as sutch, less adecuate to deal with said hunter. And that is the problem I have with this. He can be as safe as he wants, wherever he wants, for as long as he wants, to get a kill he can brag about. It is a static gameplay that is not inviting anything. Risk vs reward indeed.

Now I agree that a non-cloak ship fielding a cloak is gimping itself in terms of pvp combat I have never disagreed on this. But this type of fighter is not looking for pvp, he is looking for gank. He is doing it deliberately, so it is no excuse.

The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't.
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#362 - 2012-03-03 18:04:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Carrigan
Not this ****thread again. Seriously, you should do us all a favor, and shove your head further up your *** so that you can see **** more clearly. Cloaking is working as intended. You, and every other idiot who keep bringing this up only prove the point I made a while back about screaming children hoping to get their way.

The more you stomp your little feet, and scream, and rant, and rave, and throw tantrums, chances are, the more CCP is going to ****ing ignore your blatant stupidity.

So while we're at rehashing something, I'll reiterate a point that may or may not have already been made. You need to stop *****ing about cloaking and:

- Give me your stuff
- Enter Biomass Queue over Arrow
- STFU
- GTFO
- Go play Hello Kitty Online

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

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Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#363 - 2012-03-03 19:09:41 UTC
Lucien Visteen wrote:


....Waiting for complacency, and us not fielding ships for combat but for grind,....



That right there is your problem. "I want to use my grind ships for maximum income even though I know there is an enemy in system". Well, you can but you'll get killed when he notices.

This is how it works. The risk on his side is that you're bait, Try being bait with a couple of people waiting to warp in on you or use cloaked ships yourself to jump him when he jumps you.

There are already counters in the game to attacks by cloaked ships as has been stated before by several people. Try using them instead of complaining that you can't do pvp in pve ships.
Lucien Visteen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#364 - 2012-03-04 17:08:14 UTC
Tchulen wrote:
Lucien Visteen wrote:


....Waiting for complacency, and us not fielding ships for combat but for grind,....



That right there is your problem. "I want to use my grind ships for maximum income even though I know there is an enemy in system". Well, you can but you'll get killed when he notices.

This is how it works. The risk on his side is that you're bait, Try being bait with a couple of people waiting to warp in on you or use cloaked ships yourself to jump him when he jumps you.

There are already counters in the game to attacks by cloaked ships as has been stated before by several people. Try using them instead of complaining that you can't do pvp in pve ships.


My pvp was funded by my pve income. At that time the best way for me was to pve in null. I didn't have a very high sp character, so what I could do was limited, and the better sites was usually taken by better scanners. And the alliance I was in was not very keen on dealing with afk'ers. If I wanted to get my isk I was on my own. But that is beside the point and in the past. I have said it before but I guess it bears repeating, I have nothing against cloakers in general. They are a good asset to the game, if used for its purpose.

My issue is that one guy, the one guy that detracts himself from the game for hours on end, just so that he can get an easy kill from players he know that, at the time of engadement, can not retaliate. And there is nothing that can be done either to prevent it, beside the obvious; group up, harden up, tank up, and all that.

It is a passive playstyle that don't invite to anything.

The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't.
YuuKnow
The Scope
#365 - 2012-03-05 04:20:18 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
As you can see. With this system only someone who is willing to ignore the warnings will be seriously affected by this change. So with this idea I believe this will solve most of the current balance issues with cloaking without having to resort to more direct changes to cloaking itself such as fuel bays or random decloaks. I hope you CCP will consider this idea for EVE.


And as you can see, there is a fully trolled pro-afk-cloak group vigilently patrolling the ideas forum and to instantly troll any threat to their current cloak tatics.

I for one support the idea.

yk
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#366 - 2012-03-05 05:17:41 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
I hate you for dredging this up again.


As much as I hate to quote Zim, this ^^

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