Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Except you can counter both by camping or all out DPS. You can do nothing when it comes to 100 percent safe cloak.

If you're AFK you can't be active in a hostile system or play the game whatsoever, so you're proposing a solution for nonexistent problem.

Who said I kill gaterats? Please do not underachieve yourself by quoting me the way you WANT to understand it... killing beltrats still needs jumping through gates.

Also, please do not lower the achievements of those who actually put effort into loosing cloakers from their system, by implying that I fail the skill or knowledge how to fly through a camped and bubbled gate in 0.0, which I don't.

So everyone let us talk about facts instead of goofing each other...

So to your point:

Okay, if u are not allowed to be safe when undock, then also stop making it possible to use a POS as safespot. And NO I cannot counter them, because I am in a frigate...

Again follow my steps and be safe. There is NO issue with cloakers and neutrals in system. In fact, this post also indicates my opinion that neutrals are no issue at all, even if the locals cannot be bothered reactive action.



I do not get what you mean. You wanna remove cloakers from local? That would be quite the opposite of what else you say, please explain.



Well, I cloak while being AFK effectively not being able to do anything, exept scarying the local folks out of their anoms, which is their own fault in the first place. Locals dock up or use POS while being AFK. AGAIN, no problem to be dealt with.

POSs can be destroyed. You just actually have to form a fleet and face the enemy at a set time to do it.

You sure went from 'thanks ccp for making a game where you can never feel safe' to justifying 100% safety pretty quick.
The sad thing is I'm getting this sort of response when I specifically stated I wasn't for nerfing cloaks themselves - merely the amount of information one can receive while being cloaked.

I was thinking more enabling the use of the onboard scanner while cloaked, but disabling probes and probably d-scan. I disagree with the specifics of Ingvar's idea (removing local both ways for cloaked ships), but he was right in that the problem is not so much cloaks so much as the information one can glean while being cloaked.

In my ideal world, both d-scan and local would be shifted out for an information gathering system that rewarded active gameplay for both ganker and defender. AFK cloaking and AFK ratting alike would be weakened by a system that favored the presence of actual people behind the keyboard.

You can point to the doll were the afk cloaker touched you you also want to nerf a way blackops operate

That's a fallacious point. There are certain situations where safety can be gained. Cloaking, which gives up offensive ability. And in stations.

And technically one can be found while cloaked albeit with a slight chance, but one can never be forced to leave station.

But a safespot is not going to provide a target or intelligence so it's not an advantage either. True it can act as a timeout spot but you can't repair or refit. Do to the nature of covert ops and intelligence one has to operate for extended periods behind enemy lines. Perhaps even a whole war. If I were tasked with recon duty for my alliance I would be behind enemy lines the entire duration if possible. Intelligence would be a far more useful tool over the duration of the war than the occasional kill I may get. And do to that i'd likely never risk confrontation and act as pure observation. There are exceptions of course but I think the point stands.

I think a good intelligence officer is under utilized and under appreciated. True, I might not be able to log the daily activities of everyone and where they are, but I can actively recon and tell you where they are not and at what times they are not there. Bigger space is suited for more recon of course. But it has its uses.

Nothing I say is directed at you personally. Unless I specifically state it to you. Its more that your posts are pithy and I take for granted those following the conversation can understand my points from the entire conversation. Quoting you and speaking in the general sense to the larger points in the thread makes for less quote spam.

If I were an alliance leader you wouldnt likely be able to make a blue alt and get in. Depending on how far I wanted to test your sincerity I might need to visually identify you through online, perhaps need real life information or more. That would be dependant on what I had built and how serious I deemed a security breach. That's not deeply thought out but i'd rate myself highly skilled in determining even pathological attempts at deception.

Thinking as I do, manual intelligence gathering is the only guarenteed way to gaining any insight.