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CSM 8 Chairmanship

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None ofthe Above
#1 - 2013-04-24 00:11:29 UTC  |  Edited by: None ofthe Above
Chairmanship in CSM 8 will be decided as an internal vote rather than just picking the highest vote getter -- by and large I think this is a good change.

It makes sense to me to have the CSM pick it's officers so that they can find someone they work with the best.

That said, the two oft mentioned candidates for the job don't seem the most suitable to me. Hopefully we can get someone who can lead and motivate the CSM while using the power that the Chairmanship can bring in the right hands. Someone that can be that personality with CCP, the playerbase and the gaming press.

Trebor, with all due respect my friend, I don't think you value or even understand the position well. I hope you decide not to run for it. You are a fantastic asset to the CSM, and truly hope to see you serve on CSM8, but for all intents and purposes you were chair for part of this last year when Seleene was unavailable. That was your time to step up and frankly you didn't. Please don't go for it thinking it's your due for hanging in there. It is not a achievement to unlock, and I believe it will be your Peter Principle moment.

Mynnna, I've got a ton of respect for your knowledge and skill, particularly in the economy area. You may think the chairmanship is yours by right for being #1 CFC candidate and thus likely top vote getter. I think we know however, that you may have some growing to do to step into the forefront like that. It is a very different job than being an economic adviser.

Depending on the eventual make up, some experienced hands like Ripard or Malcanis might do well. Or perhaps even Sort Dragon although honestly I don't know him well enough to say. Might be too much too fast in his case, with inheriting HBC as well.

Winners of the CSM 8 election: I hope you all take a step back in those initial meetings, don't put your name in unless you really think you can do a better job than your fellow members. Please do what is right for the game.

Members of the community, please post a reply if you have an opinion on the matter.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.

Frying Doom
#2 - 2013-04-24 00:44:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
CSM White Paper wrote:
THE COUNCIL STRUCTURE

Within seven days of the general election, the Representatives must hold an internal vote to determine Officers: a Chairman, Vice-Chairman, Secretary, and Vice-Secretary. If there are two candidates for a position, the winner is determined by a simple majority vote; if there are multiple candidates, then multiple ballots are cast, with each ballot eliminating the candidate with the least number of votes. In the event of a tie between any two candidates, the representative who was elected to the CSM with the highest ranking from the election will cast the tie-breaking vote.

If an Officer is no longer able or willing to perform his duties, a new Officer will be elected to replace them using the same election process.

The CSM is a “flat” organization, and Officers do not have special powers, only additional responsibilities. The responsibilities of the Chairman and Vice-Chairman are to handle official communications between the CSM and CCP, and they are expected to be particularly active in interacting with the community. The responsibilities of the Secretary and Vice-Secretary are related to the production of official CSM publications such as the CSM Summit Minutes. Thus, CSM Officers are expected to be the most active members of the CSM.

Alternates are not part of the council structure; fourteen members are elected to the council and if a member, for whatever reason, is unable to serve on the council, it will carry on without a replacement member.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

None ofthe Above
#3 - 2013-04-24 00:52:18 UTC
Uhm, I suppose quoting the white paper is useful in someways, but not sure what your point was Frying.

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Frying Doom
#4 - 2013-04-24 01:05:30 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:
Uhm, I suppose quoting the white paper is useful in someways, but not sure what your point was Frying.

I suppose I should have been more specific, long night lol

But I was mostly referring to "If an Officer is no longer able or willing to perform his duties, a new Officer will be elected to replace them using the same election process."

So if the wrong people fill the offices, we could end up with CSM8 Chairman #1, CSM8 Chairman #2, CSM8 Chairman #3, CSM8 Chairman #4.

The choice in filling officers is more important than ever, and yes I believe you are right about Trebor, in CSM7 he had the perfect chance to step up to the plate with Seleene absent in the position,

The role of officer has been treated as a joke for too long, take CSM7 secretary and vice-secretary position, Two Step said specifically he did not care and Hans did not step up and fill the role either as is still shown in http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Category:CSM_Seventh_Candidacy the activity list of CSM7.

With the fact that they can be removed from office with luck we will get the officers we need.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

None ofthe Above
#5 - 2013-04-24 01:32:34 UTC  |  Edited by: None ofthe Above
Frying Doom wrote:
None ofthe Above wrote:
Uhm, I suppose quoting the white paper is useful in someways, but not sure what your point was Frying.

I suppose I should have been more specific, long night lol

But I was mostly referring to "If an Officer is no longer able or willing to perform his duties, a new Officer will be elected to replace them using the same election process."

So if the wrong people fill the offices, we could end up with CSM8 Chairman #1, CSM8 Chairman #2, CSM8 Chairman #3, CSM8 Chairman #4.

The choice in filling officers is more important than ever, and yes I believe you are right about Trebor, in CSM7 he had the perfect chance to step up to the plate with Seleene absent in the position,

The role of officer has been treated as a joke for too long, take CSM7 secretary and vice-secretary position, Two Step said specifically he did not care and Hans did not step up and fill the role either as is still shown in http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Category:CSM_Seventh_Candidacy the activity list of CSM7.

With the fact that they can be removed from office with luck we will get the officers we need.


It didn't happen with Seleene even when he got too busy. And yes, those rules were there last year, with only small changes now to accommodate the practice of electing the chair within the CSM instead of highest vote total in the general election. In practice, I don't expect that to kick in unless an officer resigns or is banned.

So I think getting it right the first time is paramount.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.

Frying Doom
#6 - 2013-04-24 01:35:44 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:

It didn't happen with Seleene even when he got too busy. And yes, those rules were there last year, with only small changes now to accommodate the practice of electing the chair within the CSM instead of highest vote total in the general election. In practice, I don't expect that to kick in unless an officer resigns or is banned.

So I think getting it right the first time is paramount.

I don't honestly remember that being in the old white paper, just the new one.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

None ofthe Above
#7 - 2013-04-24 01:41:31 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

I don't honestly remember that being in the old white paper, just the new one.


Your faulty memory aside, it was the basis for Xhagen calling on the CSM to vote for the replacement for banned Mittani rather than just handing the chairmanship to Two step. (The controversial part of that being that Mittani stepped down from CSM 6 chair, and was banned before CSM 7 was convened.)

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.

Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-04-24 01:45:14 UTC
This is so cute, you guys acting like the players have literally any influence over who gets the chair, or that dumb "IF UR INACTIVE" rules will ever be invoked by the CSM or CCP outside of extreme cases.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Frying Doom
#9 - 2013-04-24 01:53:11 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

I don't honestly remember that being in the old white paper, just the new one.


Your faulty memory aside, it was the basis for Xhagen calling on the CSM to vote for the replacement for banned Mittani rather than just handing the chairmanship to Two step. (The controversial part of that being that Mittani stepped down from CSM 6 chair, and was banned before CSM 7 was convened.)

That is about all I can find of the old CSM White paper


"If the Chairman decides to step down or rescind his responsibility at any time for any reason, a vote must be held among Representatives to elect another Chairman – should the Chairman voluntarily step down as one he is still eligible for the position during the vote for a new Chairman."


"any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. there are no
exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow."

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Frying Doom
#10 - 2013-04-24 01:55:29 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
This is so cute, you guys acting like the players have literally any influence over who gets the chair, or that dumb "IF UR INACTIVE" rules will ever be invoked by the CSM or CCP outside of extreme cases.

The players have bugger all influence over it.

But with the new rules if the CSM is as crap as CSM7 in its officer roles and nothing is done, it will really show the CSM as a completely worthless joke.

Lets face it if they cannot follow the rules set down for them, and they are not acting as the voice of the players, what good are they, except a bloody PR stunt.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

None ofthe Above
#11 - 2013-04-24 02:11:21 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
This is so cute, you guys acting like the players have literally any influence over who gets the chair, or that dumb "IF UR INACTIVE" rules will ever be invoked by the CSM or CCP outside of extreme cases.


Yeah the CSM has no responsibility to the voters past the election does it?

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.

Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-04-24 03:46:44 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:
Yeah the CSM has no responsibility to the voters past the election does it?


Not when it comes to their own procedural stuff, no.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-04-24 03:47:58 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:
I think we know however



It really is a common tool of demagoguery to present your own opinions as known and commonly accepted fact, isn't it.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal

None ofthe Above
#14 - 2013-04-24 04:00:22 UTC
mynnna wrote:
None ofthe Above wrote:
I think we know however



It really is a common tool of demagoguery to present your own opinions as known and commonly accepted fact, isn't it.


Oh yes it is indeed. I bow to the experts on that.

Do you think you are up for it, then?

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.

mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-04-24 04:20:21 UTC
I'm sure I can swing it, although it's readily apparent that you disagree on behalf of Gimmick Alts Associated. Blink

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal

None ofthe Above
#16 - 2013-04-24 06:15:21 UTC
mynnna wrote:
I'm sure I can swing it, although it's readily apparent that you disagree on behalf of Gimmick Alts Associated. Blink


Nope just myself. Never got the membership card for GAA. Clearly I am unworthy of even that honor.

So, I didn't think your crossing zebra's interview or any of your podcast/debate appearances really showed that kind of real charismatic presence, or even the ability to think on one's feet really. Important qualities for a Chairman. Although the appearances did of course highlight a keen observational mind with insight into economics and perhaps even politics, which is why I held off on any sort of real campaign against you (not that I am saying that would have made a real difference). You do have my respect, although you may not care. I am just saying that role does not appear to play to your strengths.

You are getting the disdain of others and smack downs fairly well. Not the kind of chairman I would prefer, but it did serve your predecessor well. You have been taking lessons from the great one?

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#17 - 2013-04-24 08:14:22 UTC
I have no interest in any of the CSM officer positions.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Frying Doom
#18 - 2013-04-24 08:34:57 UTC
mynnna wrote:
I'm sure I can swing it, although it's readily apparent that you disagree on behalf of Gimmick Alts Associated. Blink

One of these days we might actually get a Goon CSM member without a superiority complex.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#19 - 2013-04-24 09:18:40 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
mynnna wrote:
I'm sure I can swing it, although it's readily apparent that you disagree on behalf of Gimmick Alts Associated. Blink

One of these days we might actually get a Goon CSM member without a superiority complex.


Where would the fun be in that?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Frying Doom
#20 - 2013-04-24 09:50:42 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
mynnna wrote:
I'm sure I can swing it, although it's readily apparent that you disagree on behalf of Gimmick Alts Associated. Blink

One of these days we might actually get a Goon CSM member without a superiority complex.


Where would the fun be in that?

It might not be as much fun, but it definitely would be different.

It has become a rather boring stereotype.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

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