EVE General Discussion

Yes, he (and many others) invested time in the ability to fly all four races' battlecruisers. Why should others be given tons of new abilities just because he retains his?

All I'm gonna say is thank god the op is in blue and I can shoot them all day

Potato/potatoe. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing. Call it SP or call it "skills" the fact remains that you don't have Amarr Battlecruiser V right now. You don't have it, you can't train for it.

On June 4, you will have it - despite having never trained it. As a result, you will be able to fly 3 Amarr battlecruiser-class ships.

You also don't have Caldari Battlecruiser V right now. You don't have it, you can't train for it.

On June 4, you will have it - despite having never trained it. As a result, you will be able to fly 3 Caldari battlecruiser-class ships.

OP does not have Amarr Battlecruiser V trained right now. She doesn't have it, she can't possibly train it.

On June 4 . . . still won't have it. Doesn't get the gift that you are getting - a brand new skill - and it is a gift, as you did not train all four racial battlecruisers up to V. that would take months that you did_not_spend training.

However, you get the equivilant of three free racial skills - while OP is faced with months of additional training (that you did not have to do) in order to match your variety of battlecruisers.

Hence, the need for free SPs to allocate at will.

From scratch, with a remap and no implants the skill queue required to train Destroyers V and Battlecruisers V, including all of the racial prerequisites is circa 50 days, that gets you into the bare hulls, you then have to train the required shield and armor skills, the weapons skills, drones and many of the core skills to make those ships viable so yes I have invested several months to be able to use those ships effectively.

You should read Das Kapital, Kritik der politischen Ökonomie and then get back to me on the redistribution of wealth (in this case SP) and get back to me.

Are you getting additional skills from CCP for training Engineering V? Mechanics V?

didn't think so. shoo, your arguments are bad and you should feel bad for making them.

Your point is moot, the engineering and mechanics skills aren't changing, although I would consider both of those skills to be unofficial prerequisites for any ship bigger than a cruiser.


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No, it's a non sequitur. He's suggesting that I should have quit playing under the old system just because the new one is better.

He's assuming that just because there is an improvement, the old one was horrible, which does not follow.

He's saying that, just because I like bacon and eggs more, I must have hated bacon alone and shouldn't have eaten any. Your revised analogy is more akin to the OP, not the argument he made in that post.

Nope. More like potato/three-course-meal-with-delicious-dessert. Sure, there might be some potato in there, but what matters is that you're getting a full meal. You could even replace the potato against rice or beans or even skip them entirely, and end up with a three course meal that tastes and fills you up just as well, and with the same delicious dessert.

Again, SP is irrelevant. What matters is ability.

The fact remains that I have the ability to fly Amarr Battlecruisers at lvl V right now, so I'll have the ability to fly Amarr Battlecruisers at lvl V after the patch.

He's getting the exact same gift I'm getting: the ability to fly the exact same ships as before the patch at the exact same level as before the patch. No-one is being given any ability they don't already have. At the end of the day, the new player will be able to match my abilities with much less training than I had to put into it, but so what? The game changes and how it was before doesn't dictate how it should be now. Before I started, players could sell the T2 modules they produced for tens of millions; I can only sell them for around a million, or even a couple of hundred thousand in some cases. This obviously means that there's a huge ISK gap between me and those who are older than I am. Should I be compensated for this? Of course not — the game changed and was much better for it.

Why does he need to be given free abilities, just because I get to keep mine exactly the way they were?

Who said it did? I certainly didn't. Try making a real argument instead of honestly terrible ones, such as the strawman you just attempted. You could answer the question, for one: why should some players be given tons of new abilities just because others retain theirs?

People are not getting "spend as you wish" SP by training the aforementioned skills. Ship requirements are being realigned and it is a byproduct.

So those who choose not to train should (and will) get nothing.

I'm getting SP to spend as I wish by training up battlecruiser to level V on one of my alts who has none of the cruiser skills trained to level III. :)

I think this is unfair as it is only available to new players who have no cruiser skills yet and so we should all get free SP as this is inequitable for all my other alts.

Nice contradiction there, you sound confused.



Sounds like a good description of your attempts to "raise the OP's argument in a better way"