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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#61 - 2013-04-23 16:40:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
You are right. But I'm punished in that way:

Let's see you have all cruisers at III and BC IV. Nothing changes for u.
…other than getting more total SP, which makes the clone more expensive.

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But I have 1 racial cruiser III and BC IV.
…so nothing changes for you either.

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So basically my BC 1 SP is gonna lose 75% of its weight. Is it fair?
…except that you're not losing anything.

So yes, it's very fair: you can fly exactly the same stuff you could before; the other guy could fly exactly the same stuff he could before… except he has to pay more for it.

You're not being punished in any sense of the word.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2013-04-23 16:40:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Reimbursements are for people who lose things.
Did they lose anything ?

No.


(damn, i've implemented Tippia-logic, but Tippia beat me to it. -.-)
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#63 - 2013-04-23 16:43:35 UTC
Having more skill points in total is not necessarily a good thing.

Being able to spend your skill points much more efficiently from this point on is always a good thing.

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Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#64 - 2013-04-23 16:51:26 UTC
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:

OK, those of us who are playing now, and have been for a while, all planned ahead and trained Destroyers and BCs to V. I know I did. But what about new players? You know, those "the few, the proud, the nooby"? What about them?

They are supposed to specialize. You know, pick one tank, one weapon system, one or two hull sizes and get the skill points and player experience to fly it well. Then they can start diverging into more hulls of the same race, or cross training to other weapons and races.

Not expect to fly Command Ships with all skills to 5. While training shields and armor, Missiles, Hybrids, Lasers, Projectiles, Drones up to and including Heavies/Sentries. That's a couple of years down the line.

Just like when you start playing WoW, you can't possibly expect to be on a top tier arena team with the best PvP gear, while also main tanking the final boss of the newest raid on hard mode a couple of months after signing up.

Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38

Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#65 - 2013-04-23 16:54:40 UTC
Just as I expected I don't get any support. Mostly fail posts from fail veterans who is trying to celebrate their victory over one person. Why? Because there almost no new players in this game.
Dave Stark
#66 - 2013-04-23 16:56:39 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Just as I expected I don't get any support. Mostly fail posts from fail veterans who is trying to celebrate their victory over one person. Why? Because there almost no new players in this game.


actually it's sensible people telling you, quite rightly, that this thread is bad.

why? because as much as GD is full of bad posts, we don't really need more.
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#67 - 2013-04-23 16:56:42 UTC
Meytal wrote:

You can easily get in a LOT of training right now. Maybe you won't get Battlecruisers to 5, or maybe you will. If you do nothing, you can be assured that you will get exactly nothing.

You don't NEED to complete BC5, unless you are after getting Command Ships injected before the change. If you end up three days short of finishing BC5, after the patch you will be three days short of having each racial BC skill to 5. (as long as you have the relevant cruiser skills)

Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38

Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#68 - 2013-04-23 17:08:46 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Just as I expected I don't get any support. Mostly fail posts from fail veterans who is trying to celebrate their victory over one person. Why? Because there almost no new players in this game.

Actually, it's a lot of good posts from veterans telling you why you're wrong. And that if you're two months old and want all 4 Battlecruiser skills to 5, you're doing it wrong.

Lets say you started out Caldari. You are training for a Drake. That means shields and heavy missiles, very minimal drone skills. Please tell me why in the world would you care about Gallente Battlecruisers? Or Amarr Battlecruisers? You maybe care about the Cyclone. So you can take Min cruiser to 3 before the changes and you will get Cal and Min BC 4 after if you have BC4. That's in the magnitude of days. You also won't pay millions more for your clone every time you get poded. If you have spare time to start training to 5, you have the option to and all that SP will be allocated to both Min and Cal Battlecruiser skill. But you probably have other skills more important to your enjoyment of the game that take precedence in the first year of game play.

Hell, as a two month old you're probably not even decided yet if you will stick with the game. Why are you torturing yourself right now, while trying to make your character slightly more optimal three years down the road?

Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#69 - 2013-04-23 17:11:34 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Just as I expected I don't get any support.
Can you identify the reason why?

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Mostly fail posts from fail veterans who is trying to celebrate their victory over one person.
No, not a single one, actually. Care to try again?
Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#70 - 2013-04-23 17:28:17 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Just as I expected I don't get any support.
Can you identify the reason why?

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Mostly fail posts from fail veterans who is trying to celebrate their victory over one person.
No, not a single one, actually. Care to try again?


Can only feel sorry for u
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2013-04-23 17:30:16 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Just as I expected I don't get any support. Mostly fail posts from fail veterans who is trying to celebrate their victory over one person. Why? Because there almost no new players in this game.

I know right? New players now should get everything done for them. Because when we were new to this game, we had so many freebies.
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#72 - 2013-04-23 17:34:00 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
U are right, that's why I am talking about partial recompensation

Compensation for what?
If you're not losing anything then there's no need for compensation is there?

To clarify; the 6 million SP you're talking about is the value of skills required to fly existing ships after the change from generic to racial skills minus the value of their current skills. If you are a Myrmidon pilot (and only a Myrmidon pilot) then you lose nothing by having the skill switch from generic to Gallente - if, on the other hand, you fly both the Ferox and the Myrm it doesn't make sense that you should suddenly be unable to do so after the patch. Morover it makes even less sense for someone who flew the Myrm when they were starting out and hasn't touched it since they discovered PvP in a Hurricane to lose the ability to fly their most frequently flown ship.

Therefore, to counter this loss, the current plan has been conceived.

If you don't fly destroyers or battlecruisers then you're losing nothing and therefore there is no need to concern yourself with the change. You aren't losing anything.
You may suggest that you're missing out on free SP - but the SP in question has been significantly degraded (it's worth less than 25% of its previous value) and it does not add anything to a character.
You may suggest that, as it was your intention to train all of the racial skills to [5] anyway, you're losing time and that's a slightly more viable arguement - although if you have such ambitions and haven't had time to make adjustments then you're probably looking far too far ahead... EVE changes and changes regularly.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2013-04-23 17:39:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Just as I expected I don't get any support. Mostly fail posts from fail veterans who is trying to celebrate their victory over one person. Why? Because there almost no new players in this game.
You're not being reasonable.

People don't support your claim, because you have no claim.
Just because you can't accept that, doesn't mean they're wrong.

Furthermore, the new-player-argument simply does not work.
You are not *all* new players, you are just *one* "new" player
with your personal view. That's all there is to it.

You are not important.
Your views don't matter at all.
To nobody.

You are a worthless ant, like everybody else.

Get over it.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2013-04-23 17:39:22 UTC
You know what I would like?
I'd like clone costs to be addressed like they SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#75 - 2013-04-23 17:41:05 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Can only feel sorry for u
Thank you. This change totally busts my plan to stay within the 120M SP clone.
SpoonRECKLESS
Beach Boys
The Minions.
#76 - 2013-04-23 17:43:14 UTC
No bad bad NOOBIE!!

Blue

Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#77 - 2013-04-23 17:48:34 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Having more skill points in total is not necessarily a good thing.

Being able to spend your skill points much more efficiently from this point on is always a good thing.


Exactly this ^ I already had my BC to level V on one of my characters with two of the racial cruiser skills above 3 already. Now, if the aim of the game was simply to maximise SP gain then I could spend a couple of hours getting the other two racial skills to level 3 for a massive gain in SP.

But guess what, that doesn't matter at all. So I kept the two racial cruiser skills I already have as I never intend on using the other two races ship with that character. Total SP is actually a negative point and keeping total SP as low as possible by not training useless skills is actually much better.
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#78 - 2013-04-23 17:49:50 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Just as I expected I don't get any support. Mostly fail posts from fail veterans who is trying to celebrate their victory over one person. Why? Because there almost no new players in this game.


You really haven't learnt anything from what people are trying to tell you in this thread have you.
Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#79 - 2013-04-23 17:53:19 UTC
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Having more skill points in total is not necessarily a good thing.

Being able to spend your skill points much more efficiently from this point on is always a good thing.


Exactly this ^ I already had my BC to level V on one of my characters with two of the racial cruiser skills above 3 already. Now, if the aim of the game was simply to maximise SP gain then I could spend a couple of hours getting the other two racial skills to level 3 for a massive gain in SP.

But guess what, that doesn't matter at all. So I kept the two racial cruiser skills I already have as I never intend on using the other two races ship with that character. Total SP is actually a negative point and keeping total SP as low as possible by not training useless skills is actually much better.


Ship skills are far from useless. Being able to fly all races makes u flexible and able to join different corporations with different doctrines.
Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#80 - 2013-04-23 17:56:05 UTC
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Just as I expected I don't get any support. Mostly fail posts from fail veterans who is trying to celebrate their victory over one person. Why? Because there almost no new players in this game.


You really haven't learnt anything from what people are trying to tell you in this thread have you.



I exactly got what they are to tell me:" Omg. **** u didn't train all skills on time? Haha fail! We planned all ahead and u didn't. NOOB!"

That's what most posts address.